Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 2946780)

Ultimately he will not win the world cup with England as he has not the moral fibre/balls/courage to do it.


haha

dreams

shattered

again

Originally Posted by informer (Post 2946783)

he should be on a building site somewhere if he wasnt a footballer

Originally Posted by setanta (Post 2946771)

He's the captain of England and as such has a different role to play, a role that he has been very quick to promote - the one of the clean cut, honest family man.

Yes, and when people do it everyday they face the consequences, as Terry should in both his professional and personal life because he was the idiot who mixed the two of them up.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 2946786)

he would be with the EDL

Originally Posted by rapunza1977 (Post 2946399)

Absolute nonsense.................there are players who are premier league , married, kids and totally responsible - paid huge sums for a talent he has and is regarded as a fine athlete - his RESPONSIBILTIES are to his club, hiw wife and his kids as well as his peers and as a great roe model. He has to worry about a short lived career, consistent injury. What do you regard as a "proper job"..a pop star? a reality tv contestant? This is a proper job, how they eat, sleep, walk and talk. Not all get boozed up and fall out of nightclubs.....so your point 4 is utter nonsense..point 3 is nonsense..they have worries, just different worries from yours or mine...no 2 is even more ludicrous...

Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 2946769)

John Terry is not just one of the team, he is the Captain, the highest level of achievement in English football, awarded as a great honour to the player deemed the most worthy of ALL the players in England. He is a figurehead, and a role model for aspiring career footballers, and it is his responsibility NOT to participate in any behaviour that brings the position of Captain, the game of football, his country or his team into disrepute. When he was found out he scurried off to his lawyers to invoke a super injunction to prevent the press from printing the stories. Thankfully, for once, the Courts threw out his application BECAUSE the stories were true, and there was no basis to withhold them from the public. Any misfortune that befalls himself personally or the England team because of the fall out is completely due to his own actions.

Terry may be a great footballer, but he does not have the strength of character and scruples to be a worthy holder of the captaincy. Capello can deploy him on the field where, perhaps, he can redeem himself by doing what he is being paid megabucks to do and take England to victory in the World cup, but it should not be as Captain. That boat should well and truly have sailed for Terry.

Originally Posted by eye sea (Post 2946800)

Obviously you didn't read or understand my post. What I mean is that BECAUSE they are paid huge sums of money for a pathetic little game like kicking a ball around, they are not aware of their responsibilities.

1) All their football contracts are organised by solicitors.
2) They have maids and nannies to run their houses and dress their kids.
3) Them and their kids probably have their own personal shoppers.

You haven't a clue about the life they lead, mate. Not a clue. They lead such an insular life, detached from any sort of reality.

Wake up and smell the coffee!

Originally Posted by eye sea (Post 2946800)

Obviously you didn't read or understand my post. What I mean is that BECAUSE they are paid huge sums of money for a pathetic little game like kicking a ball around, they are not aware of their responsibilities.

1) All their football contracts are organised by solicitors.
2) They have maids and nannies to run their houses and dress their kids.
3) Them and their kids probably have their own personal shoppers.

You haven't a clue about the life they lead, mate. Not a clue. They lead such an insular life, detached from any sort of reality.

Wake up and smell the coffee!

Originally Posted by eye sea (Post 2946800)

Obviously you didn't read or understand my post. What I mean is that BECAUSE they are paid huge sums of money for a pathetic little game like kicking a ball around, they are not aware of their responsibilities.

1) All their football contracts are organised by solicitors.
2) They have maids and nannies to run their houses and dress their kids.
3) They and their kids probably have their own personal shoppers.
4) All bills and financial affairs are organised by others.

You haven't a clue about the life they lead, mate. Not a clue. They lead such an insular life, detached from any sort of reality.

Wake up and smell the coffee!

Originally Posted by rapunza1977 (Post 2946810)

Please get your facts straight - I did read your post! They do not ALL have maids and nannies so this is nonsense. Of course a solicitor will handle the transfers, deals, they have a legal mind to do this and only the best interest in their client, as for no 3, utter nonsense - you are basing all this on what? What you read?

Originally Posted by rapunza1977 (Post 2946812)

no 4 is nonsense also, really this is laughable - you making this up as you go? I have no clue? ha ha ha ok then - absolute bull sh** and I know this from facts!!

Originally Posted by informer (Post 2946814)

Its a good thing they leave the contracts to the solicitors as John Terry and most footballers cannot read...

Originally Posted by rapunza1977 (Post 2946817)

I suppose they are all thick then eh? Lampard etc? :wavey: dry your eyes

You are generalising all footy players and tarring them all with the same brush which is really unfair

Originally Posted by informer (Post 2946820)

Majority of them would be in a council estate if they didnt kick a football around..have you heard john terry speak?

Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 2946788)

I fear some of the posters on this thread will never GET it. Where have I said he should be thrown out of the team? Let him play by all means, but not as CAPTAIN. That position should be reserved from someone worthy to take it on.

Originally Posted by informer (Post 2946820)

Majority of them would be in a council estate if they didnt kick a football around..have you heard john terry speak?

Originally Posted by wannashag (Post 2946823)

who? all the main contenders have skeletons in their closet, maybe you think somebody that is not guarenteed a place in the side should be captain, ask every england player who they want as captain, i guarentee john terry would win by a landslide

Originally Posted by informer (Post 2946820)

Majority of them would be in a council estate if they didnt kick a football around..have you heard john terry speak?

Originally Posted by Chantel (Post 2946822)

So your basically judging him by the way he speaks?

Originally Posted by informer (Post 2946835)

No Im judging him on the fact his mother was caught shoplifting, his dad was involved in drug deals, the fact he was involved in spit roasting a football groupie with others, that he was caught trying to get an extra 10 grand from a reporter for showing him round a training ground, that he is from barking in essex the main BNP area, and now for ****ing his best mates wife...the fact he is as thick as **** only adds to this embarrasing list...

he is a low class , common..thick peasant..

Originally Posted by informer (Post 2946835)

No Im judging him on the fact his mother was caught shoplifting, his dad was involved in drug deals, the fact he was involved in spit roasting a football groupie with others, that he was caught trying to get an extra 10 grand from a reporter for showing him round a training ground, that he is from barking in essex the main BNP area, and now for ****ing his best mates wife...the fact he is as thick as **** only adds to this embarrasing list...

he is a low class , common..thick peasant..

Originally Posted by wannashag (Post 2946845)

bobby moore was from barking

Originally Posted by rapunza1977 (Post 2946846)

it's agreed he has a pretty vile track record and perhaps not the greatest parenting which is unfortunate, on one hand you commend him for being at the top of his game and coming through all that to play for one of the biggest clubs in the world, but, there is no denying that money and fame has gone to his head and 170k a week would turn anyones head. He is still a young man. Look how many football players have similar backgrounds....

Originally Posted by Chantel (Post 2946822)

So your basically judging him by the way he speaks?

Originally Posted by informer (Post 2946847)

You are surely not comparing Bobby Moore to this lump?

Originally Posted by informer (Post 2946852)

Are you a wannabe wag?

Originally Posted by informer (Post 2946850)

Both him and vinnie jones should be on a building site or in a white van with a copy of the SUN on the dashboard..they are the dregs of society and everything that is wrong with this country...uneducated yobs

Originally Posted by wannashag (Post 2946823)

who? all the main contenders have skeletons in their closet, maybe you think somebody that is not guarenteed a place in the side should be captain, ask every england player who they want as captain, i guarentee john terry would win by a landslide

Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 2946873)

It's not my job, nor that of the England players, nor that of the England fans, to pick the Captain, Capello was supposedly the best Manager available for the job and is reportedly being extremely well paid to make that call. Let's hope he makes the right decision.

Originally Posted by rapunza1977 (Post 2946883)

Just wondered.......who would you have captain the team if not Terry?

Originally Posted by rapunza1977 (Post 2946883)

Just wondered.......who would you have captain the team if not Terry?

Originally Posted by rapunza1977 (Post 2946908)

this is my point, one has been done for assult and the other has had affairs as well as sex tapes, who out there has not scandal within the England team........

Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 2946601)

Disagree that it's a personal issue! The effectiveness of his job relies on more than just his footballing skills. It also relies on him being able to gain a certain amount of respect from the public, other footballers and management. Lack of respect and bad morale between the players is extremely detrimental to his position. His effectiveness as a captain/manager is dependent upon his ability to gain respect and that has been severely compromised by his behaviour!

Originally Posted by Enid (Post 2946663)

Didn't he win dad of the year or something? I'd be absolutely mortified if I was the wife or kid.

He is going to get stripped, but at least now that this is in the spotlight, there's less pressure on the team to win.

Originally Posted by wannashag (Post 2946890)

he's gonna choose theo walcott

Originally Posted by arista (Post 2947398)

Great Debate on ITV1 now

Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 2947483)

Missed it - what was the consensus?