Originally Posted by sassysocks (Post 6331759)

But the judgements made about her because of it is sexism which is just as serious as racism - but I don't see people get hot under the collar about that.

Originally Posted by megamaja40 (Post 6331705)

Jeez are they for real?..... Why not give charlotte a warning about the crude stuff she's saying?

Originally Posted by sassysocks (Post 6331723)

Both. He said himself - that once it was pointed out to him, he could see their point, but at the time it hadn't occurred to him.

And that was likely to be partly because of the attitudes he grew up with typical of his generation and partly to do with not being able to think quickly enough about every word he says before saying it.

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 6331718)

That's like the club comedians who warn the audience that the next joke is going to be 'a bit blue' and then tell a p*ki joke. Hilarious. All in good humour, bit naughty, not for the kiddies, but only having a laugh. No harm done. Nothing meant by it.

Except there is harm done. It all adds to the general anti-muslim noise in our society.

And maybe some 'ordinary muslims' might laugh and take no offence. Some others might laugh along and not show they're stung by it. Because it's all just banter right?

It's all banter 'til some ****wit petrol bombs a mosque, or spraypaints 'Al Qaeda' on a muslim family's front door. It's all banter til members of your community are getting stopped and searched on a semi-regular basis because they look a bit suspicious in this climate of Islamaphobia.

Does it make him a bad man? No. Does it warrant some kind of censure? Absolutely.

And I do wish people would stop wheeling out the age thing. He's quick thinking enough to come up with snappy comments and one liners. It is rather unfortunate that some of his humour seems founded in racial stereotypes.

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 6331765)

There are quite a few people getting 'hot under the collar' about that. Just not in this thread.

It is possible to be bothered about both at the same time.

Originally Posted by sassysocks (Post 6331795)

Oh yes I know that - but unfortunately I see many throwing around sexist comments and then getting in a tiss about racist ones. Annoys the hell out of me because it is double standards.

Originally Posted by Jamie. (Post 6331767)

I was gob smacked when he said it. It was racist no matter what way you look at it, it stereotyped Muslims (or religions that wear head scarves) to be a terrorist.

It was definitely justified.

Originally Posted by reece(: (Post 6331810)

God knows where these "sexist comments" you speak of are coming from.

Originally Posted by barbel13 (Post 6331809)

Thank you to all who defended the muslims community.This prove we have decent,caring and honest people in the uk who are offended by Ron comment.

All across Europe including UK there are girls and women who wear the Hijab (head scarf) going about their own business not hurting anyone and have their Hijab ripped from their head.Some women were spitted at on their face and some were slapped because they are muslims.In Germany a women was stabbed to death with her unborn baby because she wore the head scarf.


Remember the holocaust, same thing happened to the Jews and millions died.We must not let this happen again to another community.


Ron was wrong to say the joke but I believe he did not realised the offence he will cause and I forgive him for this.


Yours

Mohammad(A Muslim)

Originally Posted by reece(: (Post 6331660)

:crazy:
He wasn't stressed whatsoever, he's been calm and collected the whole time..
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Originally Posted by brucie (Post 6331804)

As soon as he said it, I thought 'you disgusting pig'...and I am shocked he hasn't been removed.

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit (Post 6331834)

Are we really comparing the Holocaust to an ex football manager making a comment about a woman wearing a blanket on a reality tv show? really?

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 6331842)

..I think removing him would definitely be an over reaction..he's hardly a 'disgusting pig' for making a stupid joke...

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 6331842)

..I think removing him would definitely be an over reaction..he's hardly a 'disgusting pig' for making a stupid joke...

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit (Post 6331834)

Are we really comparing the Holocaust to an ex football manager making a comment about a woman wearing a blanket on a reality tv show? really?

Originally Posted by brucie (Post 6331860)

but his career ended on what you call ' a stupid joke'...the fact he hasn't learned means he must be really thick...really nasty or both.

Originally Posted by barbel13 (Post 6331874)

remember massacre usually start with one and end up millions:nono: died.

Originally Posted by reece(: (Post 6331810)

God knows where these "sexist comments" you speak of are coming from.

Originally Posted by sassysocks (Post 6331836)

Do you think stressed people all run around clucking like chickens or something? Are you a medical professional who can assess who is/isn't stressed on or off a tv show?

If he wasn't stressed before, he certainly will be now.

Originally Posted by sassysocks (Post 6331889)

Stereotyping and name calling female contestants for behaviour not condemned in male contestants happens every year on BB and has happened again with Hazel and Charlotte this year and is blatant sexism. You don't seem to even recognise sexism - yet you condemn Ron for failing to recognise racism. You just proved my point. :xyxwave:

Originally Posted by megamaja40 (Post 6331913)

If someone makes a joke about about my race I laugh at it and make one back

Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 6331829)

It's usually brought up to derail threads.

Originally Posted by megamaja40 (Post 6331913)

Ffs everyone needs to cop on here it was not racism it was a joke..... Probably in bad taste.... Been blown out of proportion here... If someone makes a joke about about my race I laugh at it and make one back

Originally Posted by megamaja40 (Post 6331913)

Ffs everyone needs to cop on here it was not racism it was a joke..... Probably in bad taste.... Been blown out of proportion here... If someone makes a joke about about my race I laugh at it and make one back

Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 6331829)

It's usually brought up to derail threads.

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit (Post 6331834)

Are we really comparing the Holocaust to an ex football manager making a comment about a woman wearing a blanket on a reality tv show? really?

Originally Posted by reece(: (Post 6331900)

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The desperation is blatant.

Originally Posted by 08marsh (Post 6331865)

Exactly, those kinds of jokes don't necessarily make the person saying them racist or evil incarnate but as mentioned by someone else in the thread it does add to society's perception of people and emphasises stereotypes so BB was right to pull him up just to say mind your language, watch what you're saying. He accepted it and moved on.

Originally Posted by sassysocks (Post 6331948)

As is the double standards.

Originally Posted by sassysocks (Post 6331929)

I think not - just pointing out the obvious double standards that people responsible for them don't want to see.

Originally Posted by reece(: (Post 6331943)

It's desperate straw grasping.. if BB found Charlotte to be offensive she would have been warned. Ron was warned for being offensive. That's the valid conclusion.

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 6331944)

No. But the climate that allowed the rise of fascism included the routine denigration of Jews in comics and on stage and the blaming of Jews for the nation's economic and cultural woes.

Now, I don't think we are in danger of another Third Reich and another holocaust, but I do know that physical attacks and acts of intimidation against muslims in this country have been rising in number for several years.

Words have power. The jokes we tell reflect and help to create the culture we inhabit. Personally, I'd rather the culture I inhabit not be a racist, islamaphobic and anti-semitic one. Guess I'm picky like that.


Good God. It's political correctness gone mad. Mad I tells ya! Mad! Can't tell the old Chalky jokes any more eh? eh? Can't call it a blackboard! No more gollywogs on jam jars. Now they won't let us take the piss out of Abdul for being a bomber. Political correctness gone mad!

Originally Posted by Jamie. (Post 6331767)

I was gob smacked when he said it. It was racist no matter what way you look at it, it stereotyped Muslims (or religions that wear head scarves) to be a terrorist.

It was definitely justified.

Originally Posted by sassysocks (Post 6331980)

Who said Charlotte was being offensive? It's the ones calling her names because they find her offensive that are being sexist and therefore offensive.