in responmse to your first question, no nothing i said had anything to do with you being from the UK.

in response to the second point... wait, so you don't think peter was a good player? then WTF. this isn't BBUK, this is BBCAN, this ain't a popularity contest! we are judging a GAME.

well i'm judging a GAME at least, so you must be judging on a very different set of criteria than i am. and i'm judging Peter based on the GAME he supposedly held himself to, he claimed to be such a great GAME player, so that is the standard i am holding him to.

Alec - 9
Andrew - 7
Aneal - 5 (-)
Danielle - 11
Emmett - 7
Gary - 31
Liza - 10
Peter - 6 (+)
Suzette - 24
Talla - 14
Topaz - 15

Siri is actually good for one thing, setting alarm. Siri set alarm!

she always listens to me. :)

Okay then I respect that, but I personally don't decide my favourites on game alone, don't get me wrong it's an important aspect but not the only aspect. My favourites were Candice and Elissa in BB15, the former had barely any game and the latter had some, they were good to watch/rootable amongst the vile people. But then on the other hand since I've been watching all the previous seasons, Will is my favourite houseguest of all time and he was both a good player, funny and likeable.

I don't begrudge Andy his win since he was the best player after Scumanda left but that doesn't mean I like him as a person. I understand what you're saying though.

If we were ranking game in BBCAN, it would go:

Emmett > (Jemmett as a duo) > Gary > Jillian > Tom (by virtue of him being the only other one to bother playing, his game was crap though)

Then none of the others did anything else. But it was a good season because the cast were good to watch, if we ranked on contribution it'd be Gary > Peter > Suzette > Jemmett > Tom > Liza > Alec >

One other point I would make though is that I see BBCAN as a hybrid between BBUK and BBUS and I think they deliberately positioned it as that so as not to be a total carbon copy of the latter, hence the PowerShifts and secret missions. As a fan of the BBUS format I wasn't a fan of the Canadian influence looking back but I think it's important to differentiate BBCAN from BBUS because assuming they do the same kind of stuff next year, I think the two are different games and have to be viewed as and played differently. The US is strictly strategic whilst Canada is both strategic and a popularity contest with Canadian viewers.

I don't actually think that's necessarily a bad thing either, it's good to have a new kind of hybrid game. It's probably how I'd like BBUK to position the format if they wouldn't be up for taking on the US one completely. A compromise of the two would suffice.

I agree that the producers would like it to be hybrid, but i think every single person that went into the BB Canada house had been watching BBUS, not BBUk, and they were there to play a game, so i think it's inevitable that they will all be there to play a game.

The producers tried to make it a bit more like a social experiment taking things from BBUK and BBAUS (marsha the moose was obviously a rip off of BBUK's tree of temptation, and BBAUS's little puffer fish guy) but in the end, they know BB based on BBUS. and they are there playing a BBUS style game.

IMHO.

they were constantly taking about BBUS in the house, and they even had former BBUS players on the live shows with Alisa, so it's clear that BBCAN is trying to associate itself with BBUS because BBUK and BBAUS have never been shown on Canadian TV before, but every season of BBUS has been shown there, and it's popular there.

They'd love to have a Survivor Canada too! They even recently had a Amazing Race Canada! (although they never actually left Canada which kinda makes the race much less amazing, but still...)

Alec - 9
Andrew - 7
Aneal - 5 (-)
Danielle - 11
Emmett - 7
Gary - 31
Liza - 10
Peter - 5 (-)
Suzette - 24
Talla - 14
Topaz - 16 (+)

Oh I agree that they were there to play a game, I just don't think most of them bothered. As I said I think the only people that played were Jemmett, Gary and Tom...the rest didn't really do that much I don't think, hence why it felt more like a hybrid between BBUK and BBUS and is IMO why I think I fell in love with the format since I was eased into it with familiar BBUK aspects (I think the house took a lot of inspiration, the missions and food comps too, and the cast felt very BBUK like as well I think), had I started with BB15 I think I'd have been put off for life

What I will say though is that having watched a load of the feeds, I think almost half of the cast had seen BBUK? Alec and Peter are big fans, Gary and Andrew had seen it too and I think Suzette is a fan as well. There were quite a few in depth discussions about BBUK actually which was weird to hear but Alec was always pointing out how stuff the producers were doing in BBUK were being inspired from BBUK and saying he thought it was a good thing.

I still agree with a comment he made during the round table too in that even though Gary may have come back, the Canadian vote was still a competition and it's one he won so that has to be respected. He said that this wasn't BBUS, it was BBCAN and if that was an element of their show then that has to be taken into consideration and I agree really. If the PowerShifts continue next year then I think it's safe to say they want it to be a hybrid which is fine IMO, it just means it's a different kind of game with more of a popularity contest aspect and so that should be remembered when viewing I think. I'm a big fan of the pure BBUS game but if BBCAN wants to create some half-way kind of game then I think that's cool too, it's then three totally different formats for me to watch each year (strictly popularity with BBUK, strictly strategic with BBUS and a mixture of both with BBCAN).

many fair points in there. and yea, i think real BB fans do seek out all BB versions (how do you think i got here?) so I agree they probably did watch a lot of BBUK and BBAUS aswell.

But don't you find it a little annoying when people like Peter and Alec pretend like they are playing a "brilliant" BBUS style game, when actually they played a HORRIBLE game? that annoyed me so much, and that's why i'm really intent on eliminated Peter from this game, because i just thought he was so full of ****, pretending to be the greatest player ever when he did absolutely nothing to warrant that title.

i forgive Alec because he's hot. but Peter must go.

ok let me ask you this question... who was a better game payer, Howie(BBUS6) or Peter(BBCAN1)?

I can understand why you would but personally no because I found their delusion hilarious and Peter's self-important shouty DR's had me in stitches. He made good TV because he was an embarrassment, if Josiah had instructed us to vote solely on game in this I'd be happy to minus him but I think these games are always about who you supported/liked and since I base that more often than not on who brings or brought the most to a show, he was a favourite of mine.

That's difficult because neither were great, Howie was the weakest of his alliance but I still liked him because he was funny. Howie's HoH basically cemented that one of the Nerd Herd would win since dull Maggie got into his head and he agreed to put James up which ended up reducing the Sov Six's numbers by the time the jury cut occurred, and that annoyed me but I guess that's testament to Maggie's game as much as that pains me to admit.

I do think Alec and Peter had some sway on the house votes in the early weeks as part of the Quatro alliance they had with Emmett and Tom, but I don't really think they did much else so this is a difficult question. I would say they're on the same poor level if you ask me, but then Howie aligned himself with better players (even if they were outnumbered the sovs were the better players than the Nerd Herd where only Maggie had any game) so maybe him? I don't know, what do you think?

Alec - 9
Andrew - 7
Aneal - 4 (-)
Danielle - 11
Emmett - 7
Gary - 31
Liza - 10
Peter - 6 (+)
Suzette - 24
Talla - 14
Topaz - 16

Alec - 9
Andrew - 7
Aneal - 4
Danielle - 11
Emmett - 8 (+)
Gary - 31
Liza - 10
Peter - 5 (-)
Suzette - 24
Talla - 14
Topaz - 16

well Howie was better than Peter (aligning himself with 2 of the greatest BB characters ever (jannelle and kaysar) but also because he didn't just hide in the diary room, he played IN THE HOUSE, and that's what we never saw from Peter, he was never playing IN THE HOUSE, he tried to pretend he was "playing" Jillian, but no, he was being played BY Jillian. It was so pathetic how he was such a puppy around her, and thought they were gonna be a showmance, she played him SOOO hard.

At least Howie knew his place in his alliance, he was the attack dog, and he was far more entertaining than Peter imo, and he was also a better game player by have a strong alliance, imo.

Alec - 9
Andrew - 7
Aneal - 4
Danielle - 11
Emmett - 8
Gary - 32 (+)
Liza - 10
Peter - 4 (-)
Suzette - 24
Talla - 14
Topaz - 16

I think you're thinking of Liza? He only thought him and her were gonna be a showmance, he hated Jillian

I agree that Howie was the better houseguest, but I still think Peter was a bit character in BBCAN. The show was all about Gary, Jemmett, Peter and Alec, Suzette and then to a lesser extent Tom and Liza. The rest were all supporting characters but that doesn't mean I don't love them all, I'm struggling to minus any of them tbh I'd rather this be a plus only game

You're right, it was Liza that made him look like the fool. sorry all Canadians look alike to me :P (j/k)[i need to put the j/k just incase Kizzy thinks i'm being racist]

if we are just judging personalities, i loved Talla and Gary and Topaz. I think they were the most genuine personalities.

Alex though surely if you're voting solely on game in this then there's other people that should go before Peter? Yes his game was crap but the likes of Danielle and Aneal, even Talla tbh who was just carried along had non existent games so surely they should at least go first if that's what you're voting on?

Purely on game the final three in this should be Emmett, Gary and Jillian

Traitor :hmph:

Alec - 9
Andrew - 7
Aneal - 3 (-)
Danielle - 11
Emmett - 8
Gary - 32
Liza - 10
Peter - 5 (+)
Suzette - 24
Talla - 14
Topaz - 16

but because i'm voting based on game, that creates a game in and of itself ;)

I won't tell you who I want to win this game.

I agree but I still wish Gary, Topaz, Peter and Alec had worked together :( it came so close to happening I remember, but Topaz and Alec had trust issues and that's what prevented it IIRC

I think Alec is into boys.

he's too cute to be str8. imho.

Alec - 9
Andrew - 7
Aneal - 2 (-)
Danielle - 11
Emmett - 8
Gary - 32
Liza - 10
Peter - 5
Suzette - 24
Talla - 15 (+)
Topaz - 16

Let's hope so eh ;)

Alec - 9
Andrew - 7
Aneal - 3 (+)
Danielle - 11
Emmett - 8
Gary - 32
Liza - 10
Peter - 4 (-)
Suzette - 24
Talla - 15
Topaz - 16

Alec - 9
Andrew - 7
Aneal - 2 (-)
Danielle - 11
Emmett - 8
Gary - 32
Liza - 10
Peter - 5 (+)
Suzette - 24
Talla - 15
Topaz - 16

it's not fair because you had a full nights sleep Jack.

I do actually need to go to bed now, but i'n gonna be PISSED if i wake tomorrow and Peter has 15 points again. that's ****ed up.

don't do that to me Jack. please. lets call a truce. for 8 hours i won't down vote peter, and you won't up vote him, okay?

you can still vote ever hour if you want, but just don't vote for peter, deal?

I only slept for four hours actually. But I'm sorry it's not fair for me either, whilst I had to go bed you had the whole of the night UK time to minus him so I woke up with him having lost loads of points, it's the same thing...I couldn't do anything about that since I had to sleep while it was still evening for you. This is the problem when there's time zone differences.

I could only agree to that had you not been voting every hour whilst I slept in the night just gone, but you were so it wouldn't be fair if you got let off but I didn't. Sorry

Alec - 10 (+)
Andrew - 7
Aneal - 2
Danielle - 11
Emmett - 8
Gary - 32
Liza - 10
Peter - 4 (-)
Suzette - 24
Talla - 15
Topaz - 16

fine, the deal is off. i'm just gonna getr more drunk and more obnoxious for as long as it takes! It's ON!

You're gonna hear me ROAR! oh oh oh ohahhh *dances like a sexy woman in a tiger costume*

I think we have come to an understanding, we can respect each other as people now Jack, but this is pure game now.

Peter Must Die!! i think there was a hollywood movie about this?

Okay :conf: it's only a forum game though, I certainly wasn't going to stay up all night just to plus some reality TV contestant on the internet

Let's be honest Alex had I asked you not to vote for him when I went to sleep you'd have told me where to go :laugh:

that not true, if you offered me sexual favors i would have caved in easily...

seriously though, let's have a compromise, who do you want out next? if you let Peter go, i will vote out the next person you want to see off the list. i will use every (-) vote i have until they are gone.

:joker:

Also I've just realised, what the hell happened to AJ? He was never eliminated...

He's on 11 points for whoever votes next

seriously though, do you really want Peter to win this? c'mon. if you let him go, you pick the next one out. i promise. every single minus sign until they are gone.

anyone you want.

you reality need to say yes or now now cause i do have to go, my friend is waving his dick on Skype right now, and i do need to jerk off and go to bed, so tell me hess or now so i can get to the good stuff....

yes or no jack???

i guess it';s a no

Mike Robert's is sad about that..
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YApq80xvcc...keRoberts1.jpg


but Plankton says THIS IS WAR!!!!

seriously though, i do have to go, take care buddy, it's all in fun right? take care

Of course I don't want him to win LOL if that's why you're trying to get him out then definitely not, Gary has to win this there's no question about it

I just want him top 7 since that's the top half. If I'm voting on season contribution and you are on game then this would be a fair compromise - Danielle, Aneal, AJ and Talla (or Topaz, up to you, or even Andrew if you want) out before him since none of them really did anything game wise or added that much, and then I won't plus him for a whole day so you can do what you want. That's fair

AJ - 11
Alec - 10
Andrew - 7
Aneal - 1 (-)
Danielle - 11
Emmett - 8
Gary - 32
Liza - 10
Peter - 5 (+)
Suzette - 24
Talla - 15
Topaz - 16