It must go over my head that humour joey and kaz haha! I may have used a smidge of artistic licence in my summary of his convo with luisa zee.....That said if you find what he said despicable, I'm not going to argue :laugh:

It went right over my head too. I couldn't make any sense out of any of it. Lee was in the kitchen too and he didn't even break a smile. Dappy was laughing just to please Jim, I think.

So you paraphrase him? you should (if quoting someone) get the exact words right.

Well I dislike feminists but that doesn't mean I can't like one or even support one if she entered the house, live and let live, we are all different and have different opinions, we should learn to accept and respect others opinions, shame Dappy and Luisa can't do that. ;)

And he still should win CBB. :dance: :D

I don't think so sonny (madbigot) jim!

Well respect mine then. My opinion on Jim Davidson is that I don't like him for my own reasons. Okay?

Yes but you don't respect Jim's opinions and your saying he shouldn't win because of his views (not that any of us really know what his views are) he tells un PC jokes, big deal.

But I respect that you don't like him and you don't want him to win.

I wouldn't be so sure, if Charlotte can win after being rude to people, shouting abuse at BB viewers and pissing the bed Im sure Jim can easily win. :devil:

The thing is if people can't judge Jim Davidson from his personal life then how come people judge Dappy, Luisa, Jasmine, and Lee on their personal lives?

True enough, I've always judged HM's on how they are in the house, that way we can be fair and only judge on what we see and hear.

No one is perfect, no one in that house can claim to be perfect.

Which opinions of Jim's should I respect? :conf:
I've never said I have a problem with his un PC jokes :huh: In fact, I've never even heard his comedy routines in my life.

After mad ol bint Denise Welsh too?!.... omfg, you might be right there really is no sanity left in the UK :bawling:

This is celeb BB, the fans of this show are weird, they like bizarre types of people....ANYONE can win. :shocked:

So what has he said IN THE HOUSE that you object to? he's been very calming, funny and respectful so far, unlike Linda and certain others.

Luisa is ageist, is that better or worse than being sexist?

Yes, god forbid Linda dislike Jim Davidson of all people :rolleyes:

..you're exactly right, Mock...we obviously know something about celebrities before they enter the house, which makes it different from the civilian BB and Jim's lifestyle has always been such to spark strong and negative opinion but it isn't the first time a celebrity like that has gone in and sometimes your opinion does change when they're in the house and interacting with others/talking about their lives etc...but for me, Jim has done nothing to show that he's 'changed'..he's hardly going to go in and say..'oh, I've hit women....', so yeah, I think he's trying to keep a low profile and kind of say what he thinks he should say etc but to me, that's not signs of a change in him...but yet other housemates have also had some controversy and that's often mentioned..maybe because they have discussed some of it in the house..?..and then it becomes 'relevant' ...I don't know but there are always different ways of looking at situations in the house and if you don't like someone, then you're going to see their actions as negative and if you do like them, then you're going to see a more positive slant...'there are many truths..'..and it's all down to what your perspective is....

I try hard not to do that Mock, however sometimes there is such a great knowledge that it is hard to change an opinion held of a celebrity no matter how they are in the house.
Such as mine concerning the Nolan lot, I never liked Colleen before she went in,then couldn't find anything from her actions in the house to make me like her.
I tried hard with Linda and for a short time, she was acting as a good and interesting housemate and I thought I may have got her wrong.
Then her mask slipped and showed her spiteful real nasty side, the one I have seen all the time before and that was that with her for me too.

However, from the opinion I had of Frankie Cocoza before he went in, he,for me anyway, behaved really well in the house and he changed my opinion as to him.

I didn't care for Dappy when he went in, however he is winning me over now and I find him a good housemate,especially since he dumped the fake romance nonsense as to Jasmine.
I liked Jasmine but now cannot be bothered with her for her antics in the house with Lee in the main, not for anything she has done outside the house.

I didn't care for Luisa on the apprentice I admit and I find her someone who seems unable to think before she speaks in the house.
I find her offensive a fair bit of the time,again however I have judged her on what I have seen of her in the house.

Lee, I liked before he went in the house but I have rarely been sickened so much by someone's pathetic obsession with sex and playing people off against each other,so again from what he has done in the house, I have changed my view of him bigtime.

As to Jim, he is supposed to be this really awful man, incapable of any change or control as was seemingly shown on the kitchen programme he took part in.
Well, for me he has shown really good control in CBB and I can only judge him on what I am now seeing in the house.
He is, (and she was the one who started it first), being pushed by Linda who likely has her own nasty agenda as to him so much, I am amazed he is showing such control.
With her, I couldn't myself I doubt.

She has said on a few occasions she doen't like him,making sure others hear her say it too then pushing to make him look bad all she can, he doesn't take the bait but if he did,I think I would still think it was justified in her case.

Also, events can affect people, it can make them think and Jim has had a difficult thing going on for the last year or more with the allegations made against him which have now been dropped and no action taken.
That can affect a person too, maybe he has learned to hold back, control his anger and be more patient too.
He will never be a saint for sure but his actions in the house so far have presented nothing to suggest he is some monster.

No one can change their past but they can build their future given the chance.
Maybe Jim sees this as his chance to put a few things to bed from his past life.
I am prepared to afford him that benefit of the doubt now and still for me, how he hasn't really blown at Linda is a mystery to me, because she is desperately waiting for him to do that and then watch for the rotten filthy vile venom that will likely come from her mouth when and if he does crack under her pressure.

Who even cares?He's been pretty entertaining and deserves to win as much as anyone else in the house.He's done more than Sam,Ollie,Lionel and Linda put together so far.Why even bother bringing his past into it.It's about how he's performing in a gameshow,Nothing more.

I've not seen too many threads judging any of those on their lives outside the house :conf:

I genuinely couldn't tell you one thing about any of their personal lives!

..I think what Mock means is all of the other discussions about various housemates...Luisa and her '5 lovers'..Dappy's 'online activities'..(I'm not sure what they are..)..Luisa's career/business and behaviour in the Apprentice..and stuff like that, there have been many discussion in different threads ..but as I said in my other post, I guess if it's mentioned at all in the house then it becomes 'fair game' as it were...I don't know, maybe Mock is talking about something else but that's how I took it...

..anyway, I have stuff to do this morning so I won't get into Jim Davidson talk otherwise I'll have to start using this...:fist:...

Oh apart from Luisa likes to shag a lot

..and Dappy apparently displayed some revealing pics on the internet and Luisa's manipulative behaviour in the Apprentice..and and LOL...anyway, I think that's what Mock means ...

Oh yes I see his point now, although tbf some of that has been brought up in the house. Dappy and his schlong getting him to No. 1, Luisa talking about her sex parties and yes go and do some stuff :fist:

...yeah, I think if it's been discussed in the house, then it's obviously discussed more on forums etc...mind you, I would like Jim to talk about all of the wife beating stuff/open up etc because then I think it would help me see more, if I feel he is actually being genuine and might have tried to change etc..ok, I'll hush up now...:fist:...(what did we ever do without that smiley..)...

It will be inevitable, even moreso if a celebrity doesn't like another that what has gone on in the past will be brought up.

For example, Linda on going in the house, going on about having Jim thrown out of a pub.
Once things are discussed or mentioned in the house then for me, it is justifiable to be responding to something done or said in the house by them as housemates.

Most and I would say near all, that has been discussed on here has been brought up in the house so that makes for analysis and opinion to be made as to same by all of us.

I do try myself to only judge them on what they do and say in the house,forming or changing my opinion of them from that time in the house as housemates,even if I haven't cared for them much before they went in.

..and so do I Joey, but hitting females is for me a no no and something that takes a little more 'forgiving' than most things and certainly anything to do with housemate's sexual activities because if they do themselves harm there, then it's only themselves that they harm..?...there are many housemates that I have changed my opinion on, some for the worse and some for the better and Ron Atkinson last time was a good example of that...but until I see something of Jim that I see as 'redeeming' then I have nothing to change my opinion about...

Good luck to him he's entertaining and that is what I like about him.
Come on Jim you can WIN

Well I call myself a silly cow sometimes,but I really don't mean it:hugesmile:I don't think Jim was being serious,I like him ,he makes me laugh,his past is just that,'past' like all of them.

Didn't you hear him say if he was himself in the house he would be kicked out? I couldn't vote for someone when I don't know who they are other than the mostly negative things I have heard about them and some of which they themselves have admitted to. How can one gauge that someone has changed if they have admitted they are suppressing their real personality?

Ageism and sexism are both wrong. So is homophobia, racism and wife beating.

For a racist he got on fine with Evander. Thought you weren't watching :suspect:

omg so just because he spoke to Evander he cant possibly be "racist"
what planet are you on???
this man has a reputation for having the most offensive backwards narrow minded views and comments!!! he's got such a viscious streak

you obviously haven't seen him on telly apart from now on CBB :crazy:
ive heard him make racist jokes
ive heard him offend brian dowling on hells kitchen!! by offending gay people
that was another reality show!!!
plus he is always sexist to women but i guess because he talks to them you probably think he's a nice guy ??? :bored:

he's even admitted to being a male chauvinistic pig!!

Joey,you said everything I wanted to,great post .:worship::worship:

If you don't know him personally you are just going by the press and a TV program,Jim is not much different to any other comedians what ever they say they are going to offend someone and reading the papers today you will see one of his women say 'if people get to know Jim properly he could well win',hardly the words of some beaten up woman and as for the vicious streak we'll go by the papers again it seems to be LEE that has that problem,I am not saying Jim has not done bad things in the past but maybe he has learnt from it all,do you know him enough to say he hasn't?

Do you think you might need to calm down a little? but if he is such a racist surely he would have avoided Evander, other people did!!! and he had the good manners to see him off properly as well unlike others in there!

Have you decided to watch the programme then?

Kazanne, he admitted to wife beating and he offended a gay man on another reality show by calling him a 'shirt - lifter' and with other derogatory remarks. ITV had to apologize for his behaviour. People are NOT just going by what they read in the press.

I understand that Jet and yes he has offended people,but surely he has the right to try and alter and put things right and I know he admitted to hitting his wife,surely that was a good thing(to admit it)and by all accounts he is married again and happily so maybe he has changed,maybe he hasn't, I just find the hatred a bit ott and he does make me laugh ,maybe I have a funny sense of humour I don't know but he has done nothing to warrant me hating him,but I do understand where you are coming from.:hugesmile:

Of course he has that right, and I'd be glad if he DID change. But until someone demonstrates that they HAVE changed, I can't like them. I can give them the benefit of the doubt, but I can't force myself to feel that I like them if I don't.
There was something about him I took a dislike too early on and I knew nothing about him. That happens.
In the house, he doesn't seem like an especially nice person to me. I have said all along that he seems to be keeping a tight rein on himself. He seems calm, but I sense barely concealed anger in him. He seems easy going, but I think he's far from it. I don't think he's funny, but maybe I've just got a different sense of humour. He makes snide remarks (so do some others, but this topic is Jim) then he walks away and leaves the person frustrated.

He's not going to go into CBB and punch a woman or say something racist or homophobic.
He said if he was being himself he would be kicked out. What behaviour would get him kicked out?
He said he is a male chauvinist pig.
So I have nothing to go on to say he's a changed man. Maybe he has learned it's wrong to hit women, maybe he hasn't. Maybe he now knows its wrong to mock gay people, maybe he hasn't. I have learned nothing about him to change the opinion I formed of him. He isn't being himself - he's admitted that - so how could I?
I appreciated that he admitted that. That's a plus point for me.

What do you like about Jim then? He's well known for his narrow views and insults like 'shirt - lifter'.