Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 7137726)

I never said you did. See above. You accused posters of saying "that Ashleigh doesn't deserve to get an aggression warning because she allegedly supports an animal charity?"

From a scan of the thread, it's only you that's said such a thing.

One poster replied to another poster that said Ashleigh was a bad egg by countering that she gives to charity, which makes her a good egg.

The negative spin of that discussion was all your own doing.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 7137729)

Complete rubbish, consider yourself ignored

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 7137582)

Wrong jet,please refrain from generalising.
My first comment on this was people cannot go around threatening people and that the warning was right to be given to Helen.
Not all posts have said it was wrong ,in fact I can't find one that does.

Furthermore,the final warning when given ends with BB 'may',may being the operative word, have to act and remove whoever from the house.
They always cover themselves with the word 'may'.

AS for 2 ,14,20 warnings,look we haven't seen them, Emma on bbbots revealed last night that Helen had got a warning for this issue so really there is no evidence at all of the ever increasing hoped for warnings we are seeing on here and for sure not 20.
We would know if she had 20 warnings.
She may have been talked to a lot more times as to behaviour but 'not' with warnings.

Also as to comparing the 2 of Helen on this issue and Ashllegh as to Christopher.
I recall when I was at Uni, someone having a blazing row and threatening to hit someone but they never did.
I also came across someone having a dispute with another student,then sitting down with his drink and gently saying he would pay him back.

It was the latter who actually did go and hit the person and justifiably got heavily punished for same.
We have no idea who or how people will react,Ashleigh actually said I think she would smash Christopher's face in the mirror,
If you think that is acceptable when said in frustration and anger by her too then that actually amazes me.

I try to be as fair as I can even though I dislike Ashleigh,I have given credit where it is due in my opinion.
However please don't say the posts on here all support Helen and think she was wrong to get another warning when I and many others have not said or indicated that at all.

I wasn't going to respond to you as the the female housemates but I instantly said it was right that helen got that warning,on this thread.
You should acknowledge when making posts that I and others have said that and please don't generalise as to us all.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7137727)

Who is to say Ashleigh didn't receive a warning for the Christopher thing anyway btw, apparently Helens received 14 warnings or something, we've only actually been shown a couple :shrug:

Originally Posted by Achilles (Post 7137480)

Ashleigh is a big fundraiser for a re-homing centre for cats and dogs due to her love of animals. If she won she WILL be donating to charity. She is a good egg.

Helen scoffs at the idea of giving £1k to charity. She is a rotten egg.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 7137698)

Correct me if I am wrong, but are people seriously saying that Ashleigh doesn't deserve to get an aggression warning because she allegedly supports an animal charity?

Statements along those lines are going to decrease Ashleigh's chance of winning, not increase them - just saying :laugh:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7137806)

It wasn't a warning was it it was just a chat to make her aware of how her words could be perceived is all.

Originally Posted by lime (Post 7137871)

How do people know Asleigh didn't get a warning.She should of had one btw but I think the first one we seen Helen recieveing was her 15th,so they obviously don't show us all the warnings.

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7137959)

:joker: ROTFLMAO :joker:

Helen gets another warning for being a nasty individual, people spend most of their time talking about Ashleigh. :laugh:

Says alot if you can't defend someone on their own merits. The blame has to shoveled off to BB, the producers, Ashleigh, everyone but Helen herself... :joker:

Originally Posted by lime (Post 7137871)

How do people know Asleigh didn't get a warning.She should of had one btw but I think the first one we seen Helen recieveing was her 15th,so they obviously don't show us all the warnings.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 7137962)

I doubt very much she has had 15 !!! no doubt a rumour spread by Mathew who is very bitter towards Helen,and something pwoplw who dont like her are happy to hang on to and even add to.:joker:

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7137982)

Actually...you have no idea how many warning Helen has received, just like everyone else here. You can't dismiss it, as others can't prove it.

All we really know is that Helen was given a formal warning and has been warned yet again, for these two comments:

‘You’re a very bitter, nasty back stabbing little b******d'. You’ve completely transformed, you turned into a p*s*y, the other night and you let Toya take your ******ing back lash...******ing p*ssy, match up to your ******ing description you ******ing weed’.

‘I actually just want to go in and ****ing smash her ****ing head in.’

The reason people don't like her is right there in black and white. It has been there in every confrontation that she has had.

Facts are facts. Helen has been in trouble with BB more often than anyone else in the house. Helen has been in more fights that anyone else in the house. Says it all.

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7137982)

Actually...you have no idea how many warning Helen has received, just like everyone else here. You can't dismiss it, as others can't prove it.

All we really know is that Helen was given a formal warning and has been warned yet again, for these two comments:

‘You’re a very bitter, nasty back stabbing little b******d'. You’ve completely transformed, you turned into a p*s*y, the other night and you let Toya take your ******ing back lash...******ing p*ssy, match up to your ******ing description you ******ing weed’.

‘I actually just want to go in and ****ing smash her ****ing head in.’

The reason people don't like her is right there in black and white. It has been there in every confrontation that she has had.

Facts are facts. Helen has been in trouble with BB more often than anyone else in the house. Helen has been in more fights that anyone else in the house. Says it all.

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7137982)

Actually...you have no idea how many warning Helen has received, just like everyone else here. You can't dismiss it, as others can't prove it.

All we really know is that Helen was given a formal warning and has been warned yet again, for these two comments:

‘You’re a very bitter, nasty back stabbing little b******d'. You’ve completely transformed, you turned into a p*s*y, the other night and you let Toya take your ******ing back lash...******ing p*ssy, match up to your ******ing description you ******ing weed’.

‘I actually just want to go in and ****ing smash her ****ing head in.’

The reason people don't like her is right there in black and white. It has been there in every confrontation that she has had.

Facts are facts. Helen has been in trouble with BB more often than anyone else in the house. Helen has been in more fights that anyone else in the house. Says it all.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 7137985)

We all KNOW this,i think the point people are TRYING to convey is the unfairness of this particular warning,are you with me so far? Are you telling me it's ok for Ashleigh to say something similar and get no comeback,Oh hang on,scrub that as you probably are!!

Originally Posted by adamski94 (Post 7137990)

only 2 people know how many warnings were given they are helen and big brother. Mathew started the lie because he is a bitter idiot and cant except he is a nonity and a pointles disrespectful bitter human being

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 7137986)

Hardly fights, heated arguments yes, but fights no way.
Also maybe,just maybe,just as those of us who believe the listed number of warnings on here are wrong,it would also be better for those list of warnings as to numbers not to be stated as gospel that she has.

Perhaps the whole issue as to what other talking to or warnings she has had are best shelved until it is proven and confirmed by BB what the real facts are, rather than speculation,presented as facts.

Originally Posted by adamski94 (Post 7137990)

only 2 people know how many warnings were given they are helen and big brother. Mathew started the lie because he is a bitter idiot and cant except he is a nonity and a pointles disrespectful bitter human being

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 7136984)

So unfair aswell,where is Ashleighs warning,for threatening to smash Christophers head in the mirror,totally double standards

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7138019)

And you know for sure that Mathew lied...because...no...you don't...because BB hasn't confirmed the number of warnings that Helen has received.

So you are trashing Mathew, trying to make a point about him being a disrespectful bitter person?

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7138011)

Yes, the "supposed" Helen warnings could be wrong, it could be more, it could be less.

But there is only one that counts. The formal one.

And its extremely funny to read peoples opinions on this. Denying that Helen has had so many warnings, despite having ex-HM's talk about it, but then have the same people demand to know why Ashleigh didn't get a warning.

Maybe she did. Maybe she didn't. Maybe the context, the nature and the character of the individual is whats taken into account before warnings are given out.

We've all have seen Helen's outbursts, its wrong to defend them by pointing the finger at another HM and cry foul.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7138024)

Exactly, BB hasn't confirmed the number, so out of everyone else in that house Matthew knows the number? Yeah, not likely.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7138024)

Exactly, BB hasn't confirmed the number, so out of everyone else in that house Matthew knows the number? Yeah, not likely.

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 7138043)

Even it was true Marsh that she had got the 14, 15, 16,20 or whatever figure it has gone up to today as to warnings.
Then how could Matthew even know that and for sure Helen would have never confided that info to him either and neither would BB..

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7138031)

Its not likely that Mathew, a HM who was there, doesn't know?

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 7138030)

With respect however, we should and can only go on what we see,it is up to BB to show us the warnings when given and they haven't shown us Ashleigh getting one.

I stand by what I see,not from waht others say or wnat to be the case.Nothing can operate properly like that.

It is undeniable, 2 threats were made to other housemates,not to theri faces but both made in anger and likely frustration too.

Helen as to Ashleigh and smashing her face in, then also Ashleigh in a same scenario of anger and frustration as to Christopher, re- smashing his face into a mirror.

Now if one deserves a warning,then so does the other on balnce I say, we know one has been given, we have no idea as yet if a warning was given for the other incident.
Until that is confirmed, then we are right to assume she didn't get one while Helen did.
As warnings are usually eventually shown to the viewers.

It isn't about praising one and running the other down,I have said on here Helen fully deserved her warning for it,that you cannot go around threatening people,however I equally believe Ashleigh deserves one for her incident too.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7138054)

It's not likely that he does know.

Outside of BB and Helen, why and how would Matthew know and none of the others?

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7138019)

And you know for sure that Mathew lied...because...no...you don't...because BB hasn't confirmed the number of warnings that Helen has received.

So you are trashing Mathew, trying to make a point about him being a disrespectful bitter person?

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7138056)

And that is your right.

However, Helen has received a formal warning for bad behaviour. She was told by BB that she was being monitored and further action would be taken if something similar happens again. Fast forward a few weeks and Helen makes a statement about smashing someones face in. BB has no choice but to call her up on it.

A person on probation can not be compared to a person with no prior history.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7138054)

It's not likely that he does know.

Outside of BB and Helen, why and how would Matthew know and none of the others?

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7138061)

But you don't know that he doesn't know. You are guessing that he doesn't know. And you don't know what the others know, or don't know.

He could be completely correct, or totally wrong.

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7138061)

But you don't know that he doesn't know. You are guessing that he doesn't know. And you don't know what the others know, or don't know.

He could be completely correct, or totally wrong.

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7138031)

Its not likely that Mathew, a HM who was there, doesn't know?