Well no they shouldn't be allowed discriminate because of their homophobic thoughts :laugh:

I have read my post again and yes the word "traditional" is not needed in the context of what I am saying.

So read again but omit the word traditional

Cheers.............:wavey:

You just contradicted yourself, you said people with religious views can think what they like.. and now they can't as they'll be labeled homophobic. :conf:

No, I won't bother I think I got the measure of it the first time.

How is that contradictory? They can think what they like obviously it's their own heads lol that doesn't mean that those thoughts aren't homophobic :shrug:

OK............glad we sorted that out :spin:

I think it's a given that you feel that his religious interpretation is homophobic, the fact is he's done nothing illegal it's his view and his right to work for who he likes based on this.
In effect he's done nothing wrong.

Discrimination is discrimination, It shouldn't be allowed or tolerated. Religion is not an excuse, it's an optional belief system. If you choose to believe that being gay is wrong then you are a bigot, people who use religion to justify their ****ty views and attitudes deserve what they'll get.

But he has done something illegal according to Irish law imo

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Equality_FAQ
1. What discrimination is unlawful under Irish equality legislation?

Irish equality legislation prohibits direct and indirect discrimination in the area of employment and in the supply of and access to goods, facilities and services, on any of the following nine grounds - gender, marital status, family status, sexual orientation, religion, age, disability, race or membership of the Traveller community.

Discrimination in the area of employment is prohibited by the Employment Equality Acts 1998 and 2004. The Acts cover all aspects of work including recruitment and promotion, the right to equal pay, conditions of employment, training or experience. If you are an employee, or trying to get a job and you feel you are discriminated against unlawfully, on any of the nine prohibited grounds, you can make a claim under these Acts.

Discrimination outside the workplace is prohibited by the Equal Status Acts 2000 to 2004. If you are trying to access goods or services and you feel you are discriminated against unlawfully, on any of the nine prohibited grounds, you can make a claim under these Acts. They cover many different goods and services, including access to a place, facilities for banking, entertainment, cultural activities or transport, professional or trade services, health services, access to education and accommodation.

The Equality Authority is tasked with providing information and advice to any person who feels that he or she has been discriminated against on any of the grounds covered in the equality legislation, whether in an employment or non-employment area.

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Depends on whether you view sexual orientation or religious belief as a motivating factor....

Well not really, the law says prohibits direct and indirect discrimination in the area of employment and in the supply of and access to goods, facilities and services the only person who was refused a service was the gay man who was told by the printer that it was because he was gay, seems quite clear to me :shrug:

quite right

they are using their interpretation of a book they think gives them some sort of status in life to hate on others

bwoty is hard to say :omgno:

Well yes really, I'm sure that would refer to a third party and not as it's you personally that is the service, and your religious beliefs that create the issue.
I can't see it as that black or white.

How do you mean a third party?

Why is he marrying his dad? :worry:

stephen fry teas

I mean anyone providing the services of someone else for someone else.

Providing the services of some one else for someone else? Like how? Could you give me an example? It seemed pretty clear to me that a business (like this printers) couldn't refuse their services to a person based on their sexuality ( like this guy)

Crap like this is the reason we have war in the world.

'We're not homophobic, we just don't want the gays to have equal rights.'

this is disgusting
i can't believe this is being defended by people going 'they're just sticking to their religion, thats all!!!!1' when if this happened to someone because, say, their skin colour or nationality there would be more massive outrage

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I mean if you were a company representative for example.

I've just read the first few pages of this and I can't believe people are defending it.

And what makes you think that's what the law was referring to?

You asked for an example and I gave one.

As religious observance is the reason as stated I feel it would be harder to enforce any law seeing as that is also protected under the same law.

The Confederacy pointed to the bible to justify slavery. These will know doubt have justified themselves in a similar way.

Hiding behind 'sincerely held religious beliefs' doesn't wash for me as an excuse to discriminate.

It's not protected under the same law. If it was a company refusing to do business with a person because of their religion then it would be covered but not whenit's the religous person doing the discriminating. It doesn't say discriminating against gay people is ok if you're a Christian/Muslim in brackets

That may be the case, we shall see..
If he the person felt that gay marriage was against his religious principles then that's fair enough but if he the business is against it that might be seen as a separate issue.

who gives a sh*t if he doesn't want to , its up to him , end of chat

well, in their statement they say "We, at bealuh print are bible believing Christians" that sounds like it's the business who are taking this stance :shrug:

Not if he's breaking the law......

It does, well we'll see if there's a prosecution.
Where is the statement from them?

In all honesty though I find it disgusting how these kind of mindsets exist in 2015.

It's in the OP at the end

Ah yes thought I'd seen it here somewhere.