they are just comments from people, you cannot control people nor can you police them 24 hours a day

Ukip is a party with policy and manifesto. That is what they are and if certain members cannot comply they get sacked.


All parties have idiots. Some have paedophiles, some have criminals like labour and conservative.

My homework? I don't need to prove you're wrong I know. All parties have older members... Fact.
The age of members is no excuse for bigotry.

Luckily most people on here do not judge people on what party they happen to like or dislike

Oh and the UKIP manifesto is possibly one of the most obviously racist things I have ever seen. Giving businesses the right to only employ British people or to put British people first? In what way is that not racist?

and i dont need to prove it to you, by your logic


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No that's true, yet on the views on certain subjects I've noticed a slight correlation.

I guess you would have to take out that policy from the manifesto and prove it was racist rob.

so feel free

Most people on here don't particularly wish for "illegals" to be hit by a missile but there we are.

you are too hard on yourself

Conservatives for me, because they are actually trying to stop the benefit scroungers who are currently better off than working people.

:joker::joker::joker: Yeah; YOU look at the type of people drawn to UKIP - a relatively New party who have time to wheedle out any 'supposed' 'racists' or 'homophobes' - and I'll look at just a few of THE MANY, MANY CROOKS and SCUMBAGS which have INFESTED the LABOUR PARTY from the year DOT:

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LABOUR HOME SECRETARY JACQUI SMITH FIDDLES £116,000 in FRAUDULENT EXPENSES CLAIM (Not to mention hubby's PORN FILM CLAIMS).

LABOUR MP SHAID MALIK FORCED TO REPAY EXPENSES FRAUDENTLY CLAIMED FOR COUNCIL TAX, NEW TV & NEW CHAIR. (Not to mention previously surviving a Parliamentary sleaze inquiry into his claims and a second probe into whether he breached the ministerial code by benefiting from a preferential rent. )

LABOUR EMPLOYMENT MINISTER TONY McNULTY FORCED TO RESIGN AFTER POCKETING £60,000 CLAIMS ON HIS PARENT'S HOME.

LABOUR MP ANN KEEN AND HUSBAND ALAN KEEN INVESTIGATED BY PARLIAMENTARY COMMISSIONER FOR STANDARDS AFTER FRAUDENTLY COMBINING SECOND HOME ALLOWANCES AND CLAIMING £175,000 TO BUY SWANKY PAD IN UPMARKET WATERLOO. ORDERED TO REPAY JUST £1,500.

LABOUR MP HELEN BLEARS FORCED TO STAND DOWN AFTER CAPITAL GAINS TAX FIDDLE. SHE WAS ORDERED TO REPAY £13,332.00.

LABOUR MINISTER PHIL HOPE FORCED TO REPAY £41,709 OF TAXPAYERS MONEY WHICH HE FIDDLED IN A SERIES OF CLAIMS FOR POSH FURNITURE AT THE SMALL LONDON FLAT HE CLAIMED AS HIS SECOND HOME. (Those who inspected his expenses claims believed it would not even be possible for him to fit all the furniture into the flat.)

LABOUR MP MARGARET MORAN FORCED TO STAND DOWN AFTER FRAUDULENTLY CLAIMING MORE THAN £20,000 OF TAXPAYER'S MONEY FOR THE TREATMENT OF DRY ROT AT HER PARTNER'S HOME.

And I thought LABOUR were THE party for the working classes NOT THE party who consistently rip off those hard pressed worker's TAX payments.

And I haven't STARTED on the TORY sleazebags yet.

Yeah .... It's more logical to support two parties who have each had many chances in government but have done nothing except 'U turns and break promises, and who have ALWAYS been riddled with corruption and sleaze, than it is to give a party a chance who has the strongest manifesto, no history of sleaze, and a thoroughly honest and decent leader -- all because of propaganda driven fears of what might or might not happen.

:clap1:

people on here have short memories:joker:

Only in Devon lol

Again?


UKIP is homophobic. Not only have far too many members of the party for them to be credible been recorded as saying the list that was posted further back in the thread, these people have also been allowed to keep their jobs. Despite the fact that "Nigel" has apparently said that he doesn't tolerate it. They also are the only party running for government that makes no mention whatsoever of LGBT rights and when questioned about this claims that gay people fall into the "special interest" category.

UKIP is racist. Sorry to say, but you're statement about "illegals" earlier followed by your adoration for them is enough to prove that to me. Plus, their manifesto is littered with so much passive racism like "British people being given priority over employment," that I can't believe that I'm having to explain it so many times.

Can you prove to me that their not either of the things that I am accusing them of?

UKIP is basically just a new name for the National Front. Remember them?

Irrelevant, and to be honest as a young party the prevalence of instances where members misdemeanors seem to be a damning indictment of their core values.

I do not have to prove a negative. There is nothing in the manifesto that is racist, it has been scrutinised by the worlds media since launch as well as the other parties, universities and think tanks.

No one has found any racism so if you have it would be nothing short of a miracle

no lily it is not as well you know

And yet I have to tell you again and again why I and so many other people think they are?

Ok.

:joker::joker::joker: It would be irrelevant. LMAO.

you think what you like but its not based on evidence in policy or what the party stands for and is built on

Are you suggesting I'm baiting? :shocked:

Yes it is, people are not drawn to labour or conservatives due to their views on fiddling tax are they? :/

well the statement is patently untrue and totally unfounded.

:shrug:

Do you really believe that there are many people on benefits that are scroungers? is that what a newspaper told you? Do the rich tax dodgers that steal billions upon billions more from our economy that dwarves what "benefit dodgers" take not worry you more?

Pull that trigger
Shoot that ******
Join the National Front.

There ain't no black
In the Union Jack
Join the National Front.

It has nothing to do with newspapers. It has to do with the people in the area where I live. I see it every day. I know they are dodging work. I know they aren't disabled. They freely admit it. Yet they get a free car, and a ****load of benefits.

I don't live in a particularly nice area.

:joker: Trumpy sings that to himself every night at bedtime.

:joker::joker: Naughty, Naughty Lily. :laugh:

Moi? A good conservative voter like myself... how very dare you. lol

you should take down these posters lily :nono:

what would the neighbours say?

No doubt they will be taken down for me. (the posts that is)... As for the posters.. they cover up the bullet holes in my walls.

There are areas that look like that so fair enough but the tax dodging rich cost you a lot more and the conservatives do nothing but encourage that to help their rich mates (donators) out.

:clap1::clap1:and not before time Lily.

Well said and spot on,the Conservatives will never really do much against tax dodging rich,they never have and never will.

They will however waste loads of funding and set out with gusto to find the tiny minority of benefit cheats who do exist,I concede that..

Causing massive distress and making the health worse of those who are claiming all correctly, who then get subjected to really intrusive questioning and undignified testing as to same..

Those who blindly support the Conservatives have no thoughts at all as to what those vulnerable individuals get put through, to in effect save a pittance, whereas as you say tax dodgers and evaders 'rob' the treasury of billions with next to nothing done.
Nor was it done by Labour either to be fair over their time in govt;
Hopefully it will be this time.

It is odd how this govt; never makes any major effort to see that people get all the benefits they should be claiming,that they know some should have since it is said there are unclaimed benefits every year that could be.

Yeah, I agree. I'd put all 4 groups in the same family. UKIP is just the smarter child.

I went through the trouble of defining neo-nazism for you
Whether you like it or not, UKIP have hired and payed many workers who fit directly under the definition:

Neo-Nazism borrows elements from Nazi doctrine, including ultranationalism, racism, ableism, xenophobia, homophobia, antisemitism

Lol at the Tories and UKIP winning the poll

It is a fact that there are Benefit fraudsters and Tax Dodgers in this country and BOTH need stamping out, And while I agree with you Joey that the Benefit Cheats are 'small fry' in comparison - both Tory and Labour governments will spend greater REAL effort in clamping down on Benefit Cheats because a lot of the Government, their family, friends and 'Business' associates are tax evaders themselves.

Analysis of just how many 'Public Serving' ex-Politicians (of both parties) are now firmly and very lucratively ensconced on the Board of Directors of the Huge Corporations which they promoted or dealt with whilst in Parliament, will astound you and fill 20 odd pages on here.

Does anyone really believe that these self-servers (of both parties) are going to hunt down the very 'tax evading' Business people which they are 'relying on ' for well paid directorships once their political life is over?

More analysis of which ex-politician awarded just what MASSIVE lucrative Government contracts to companies which they now work for , will fill another 10 pages.

It is ALL a GAME.

A corrupt, centuries old game played by those who serve - not the public (cannon fodder) but those who draw up the rules, create the laws and run this country and every other.

The best we can hope for is that one particular political party ACTUALLY does some good whilst they are 'seeing to themselves'.

You just happen to have faith that Labour is THAT party, Kaz has faith it is the Tories, and I - who have lost faith in BOTH - believe it is Farage.

I respect you Joey and admire your passion and selflessness, and believe me or not, I WAS once like you, but age has replaced my passion with cynicism.

with age and responsibility comes reality and as such idealism diminishes