This thread is a mess

:clap1: I consider myself a feminist even, but the argument goes both ways. You can't vilify a man and not a woman for the same actions.

She was.

Helen was a bitch and bully at worst.
But Cami was a trashy, aggressive, thug.

I don't agree with you on everything BB6, but I completely agree with that.

Absolutely true.

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Conor is a rapist apparently when he has not raped anyone, makes no sense does it?:joker:

Conor the rapist :bored:

Also on the lines of women saying things and getting entirely away with them - Katie Hopkins making fun of Perez's penis? I mean emasculating him in the process to begin with but also being so uneducated that she has to resort to insults stuck in the gender binary, is disgusting.

Also if Grace was a guy and had chucked water all over Susie? Things would've been a lot different. Sexism is a brutal thing folks, and it works both ways.

Agreed again.

It reminds me of Spitgate when Bex got in Mohamed's face, but when he stood his ground he was accused of "squaring up to a girl". None of the Whisper Club cretins even acnowledged that she got in his face to begin with.

welp

Thanks for the intellectual contribution to the discussion about gender and sexism, Daniel! :thumbs:

This.

It's like how women get away with flirting with younger males. See Edwina Currie, in IAC.

Yet, Chris in BB15 is branded all sorts just for being friends with a female housemate who is 18 years of age.
And I'm not even a fan of Chris.

Cami was a cartoon caricature with parodied Bad Girls Club styled expressions, let's not make out she was the threatening big bad wolf, because if she was BB would have stepped in - like they did with Conor.

And end of the day, insinuating that Cami's actions aren't as signficant as those of Conor's is also just promoting benevolent sexism - viewing women as sweet innocent people who cannot by any means be a threat to men.

I'm sorry.

How old are you?
Six?

The treatment Chris got was really unfair tbh

icr but didn't jemima flirt with Sam?

Honestly, I don't remember much about what Cami was like, but benevolent sexism and sexism for both genders due to society's structures is a real thing and very relevant in the context of social experiments such as Big Brother

I'll stop here if it's going to resort to personal insults, toodlepip.

Yeah personal insults aren't necessary, I honestly always find discourses about gender and sexism so incredibly important and interesting

TBF Chris wanted more with Princess Pimple

Yes.
Exactly.

A woman does it, and it's seen as harmless cougar flirting.

If a man dares to do it, it's seen as dare I say it, creepy pedophilia, or something along the lines of that.

No problem

It wasn't an insult.
I'm sorry if your offended.

But using this silly cartoon thingy to back up your support for someone.

What else did you expect me to think?

But again, that's an example of benevolent sexism because it's insinuating that women are too 'weak' (albeit not so overtly) to be able to be threatening to a male. Very frustrating as benevolent sexism is one of the hardest forms of sexism to tackle as it's articulated in the form of praise, hence making it that much more important to discuss.

Loads of housemates have been cartoon's though...not to be taken seriously...Makosi, Nikki, Charley, Caroline BB13, Gina, Danielle etc

But if Cami really did assault one of her exes, surely she's more than just a cartoon caricature not to be taken seriously?

What is this cartoon?

Those you've listed above are real humans.

Is this another TIBB txt spk that I don't understand?

In the house though, I don't care how they are outside the house, and anyway I don't even like Cami Li that much at all, just she was no where near as bad as Helen.

What are these cartoons?

Can someone explain.
I'm so confused.

I'm taking a shower, I'll be back in ten.

I need to urinate, too.
Not in the shower, though.

Welp :umm2:

It probably has a lot to do with what Conor said in the house versus what Cami did outside of the house. Cami legit assaulted somebody, but because we didn't see it televised with some dramatic music and reaction shots of other housemates, a lot of people aren't really going to be able to care as much as they would if it was on t.v. It's a sad truth, but were more emotionally attached to things that we experience "firsthand."

And I would definitely say that most of Cami's comments against Alicia and Perez were just as bad as Conor's comments against Deana, but another factor that could go into more people supporting Cami while hating Conor, is the fact that Cami went against Perez (who was ****ing hated on an entirely new level) making Cami's actions in the house seem more acceptable.

Hating on Conor for what he said, while not being bothered by what Cami did makes no sense to me, but there are a ton of factors that go into housemate likability and they aren't inherently sexist.

Not to say that there isn't an obvious girl oriented support base on this forum, but even that probably has more to do with production and casting. Things really aren't that black and white or simple

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I agree.
I think with the point in bold, it's more double standards which exists within the viewers.

If a housemate goes against another housemate you dislike, one is more likely to find their behaviour acceptable, as it fits in with your opinion. Helen vs. Ashleigh, from BB15 being perfect example of this.

But, if a housemate goes against your favourite housemate, one is more likely to go against that person.

Kemal was apparently dating Kinga!!! Obviously not a PR stunt!!

Reading back the past few pages. The term straight acting is actually gross. And Cami Li is pond scum

Condragulations you are the winner of this weeks challenge

Brinty and Iggy Iggs Promo?

So... What is the truth?

Is straight acting gay Kenny in reverse?

Matthew isnt gay and Ashleigh wasnt innocent, slapper is not a stereotype.