i dont think it had anything to do with racism. must have been that 1 or 2 pounds of butter Adjoa put on her toast was the final straw

Are we the only country which cries racism when a black woman gets evicted from the house?

Does every countries BB vote them out at nearly every opportunity?

Yesss

I think so.
It is an easy way to play the victim whilst managing to ignore any shortfalls of a housemate.
Its pretty offensive and pathetic really but people that grab for the racism card at every opportunity dont really know any better so you just have to ignore them really.
They dont realise that what they are doing is of detriment to what they think they are trying to defend so while they think they are doing a good thing they really arent.
Their heart is in the right place i suppose but it doesnt make them right far from it infact.

I don't think so. Otherwise Brian Belo wouldn't have won. I think it's more the kind of people they choose.
Mostly the black males are laid back and out to have fun, whereas for some reason the black females are angry and cause endless arguments. Adjoa wasn't that way, but she was pretty boring and had one of the most irritating voices I've heard.

Using race as the main focus as to why a housemate was hated is stupid.

So it's got nothing to do with their behaviour?

Adjoa digged her own grave. Should've have been more wise not to act like a twat so early on.

So Adjoa being more entertaining than both of the other nominees shouldn't have counted for anything?

:umm2: WTF loool.
Was it the long drawn out words that made it almost seem like she couldn't be arsed talking that you found entertaining or the vacant look on her face in the live show that made it look like there was nobody at home?? :joker:

That's just an opinion, i personally found her more annoying than the other two nominees

I think there's a slight bit of sub-conscious racism that happens with voting, but I mainly put that down to VTE. VTE makes people look for the negatives in people and makes the show more hateful, and people look for any little thing that makes you stand out from the others or not fit in, such as being a bit louder than others or slightly more argumentative

I don't think people realise they do it but it's just subconsciously drilled into people's minds that black girls are stereotypically raging bitches.

Typecasting is also a major reason for this. When was the last time the producers cast a black girl who wasn't stereotypically fierce or sassy? If they could actually cast a black girl with a similar personality to, say, Josie, then maybe a black girl would actually have a chance of surviving an eviction. But if producers keep casting the same types of black girl, then they are ruining their chances before they've even entered tbh

i can imagine the majority viewers/voters of BB being quite xenophobic tbh

The straws have been clutched

The remnants of the weave crew are revolting. :joker:
Adjoa was a bore you can clutch at any straw you want but thats a fact.
Have a nice summer :)

Adjoa was kicked out because she is a twat, keep racism out of it please, it makes you look silly and desperate

If they cast some decent black women for a change rather than the people who live up to a stereotype that's been created, then maybe they'd get further in the show and turn out to be adored rather than being evicted early on.

It's not racism, it's just people dealing with the cards that are being dealt to them by the casting people.

And i'm pretty sure people who actually liked adjoa voted to evict her because they prefer sarah/eileen. When you vote to evict sometimes it's not down to who you hate, fan clubs will vote someone to try and save their favourite.

A lot of overly defensive people in here, if you disagree that's fine but don't stoop low

Isnt making fake racism claims stooping low not giving valid reasons to why she was evicted?

nnn you clearly don't understand the point of this thread

I do and so far every point made in relation to racism is false

Thank you for your opinion

Pretty much what I just posted, couldn't agree more :worship:

Giving two examples of black people doing well doesn't mean that the public isn't racist ever. Racism isn't viewed in terms of all or nothing.

So what did Noirin do wrong then?

Hira was viciously booed when she entered for no reason whatsoever.

This was already brought up, but Claire was flirting with Craig despite the fact that she had a boyfriend of ELEVEN YEARS, yet their relationship was seen Sam endearing.

mhmm preach the righteous truth LJ. Especially this week with Adjoa, she was rather inoffensive and funny yet she received a lot of the negative answers in the public opinion task (despite the public having nothing to base that stuff off of!) and was booed to death as got OFF OFF OFF chants for an interview that was nothing out of the ordinary. BBUK has always been a show about racism and I'm shocked that so many people are doing mental gymnastics to deny that.

Still perched for Raph's post

I agree with this tbh. Well said :)

The best thread I have seen on here. Every single point is spot on! Racism is more apparent this series than it has ever been.

If she had been more entertaining, then yes. But personally I didn't find her so. Having said that, very few of the housemates are entertaining.

Okay lemme respond to this now :)

First off, terrific post by Pete, I love discussions like this brought to the table.

I actually agree with Pete entirely. People of color, in particular women of color face the hardest time in Big Brother - through casting, in the house and through the way in which the public perceive them.

In terms of casting, the type-casting we get is ridiculous. The amount of 'sassy'/'feisty' black women we get, to begin with, shows how casting is limiting that group of people to such a small bracket of personality. It's the same with gay people. I can't remember the last gay person who defied stereotypes of flamboyance being cast into the house. Casting in a similar way every year, is inevitably going to influence those housemates' experience in the house, as the public already assume things about housemates, on the basis of their race, gender or sexuality. I'd say the issue of casting with Asian women is even worse. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe Deana was the only Asian women cast over the course of BB on channel 5?

Next, we get to how they're treated in the house. Let's begin with Deana and her relationship with Conor, Ashleigh etc. They all despised her, yet could never explain why. Let's look at Hira - she had an entirely harmless VT, yet was boo'ed into the house quite badly. Or perhaps let's look at BBlock dynamics in BB9 - A ginger, an Asian woman, a Welsh woman, and two black men. The other side of the house that excluded them earlier on? Jennifer, Bex, Luke, Dale, Dennis were all white, British people. Yes Sylvia was also part of that group but then who out of them was evicted first? The woman of color. Out of Bblock who managed to win? The white woman. Yes, you could argue that it was entirely due to personality but i'm going to disagree here.

I think consciously, yes people evict people on Big Brother because they are not fond of their personality. However, it's the subconscious institutional racism that is most powerful to me, in this case. Structures of society have built a hierarchy largely divided up by gender and ethnicity. As a result, unfortunately there is a subconscious superiority associated with white people on Big Brother, allowing them to behave in the same way as people of color, with fewer negative consequences. As much as we like to say racism is a thing of the past, it's very much not so. Subconscious racism such as institutional racism is the hardest form of racism to tackle, as it's far less obvious. The fact that white males constitute of the majority of winners exemplifies that in a pretty clear way.

Anyways, to finish off, I think the Big Brother experience is considerably more difficult for people of color (particularly women, but not exclusively) as they face conscious as well as subconscious discrimination on three different levels - casting, house dynamics and public perception.

Raph and Troy in agreement for once :worship:

Great posts from both of them

Just seems the go to excuse when people's favourites aren't liked as much as they'd want them to be.

Just as I could easily say it's positive discrimination that people love and get all "yasssssss" the moment a black woman with an attitude appears on any TV show.

This is literally the best post you've ever made :clap1:

Thanks man :) And thanks to Pete for starting off this really productive discussion!

This reminds of BBCAN when Naeha was targeted just for looking like Neda

Oh absolutely. Naeha was an intelligent, independent woman of color. Of course that was going to be more threatening than any equivalent or even intellectually superior white man.

I mean i'd definitely say racism in Big Brother is not exclusive to BBUK. Take a look at Big Brother 15 USA - this series literally exemplified very active racism. The treatment of Candice by Aryan, Gina Marie and Spencer etc was absolutely disgusting. And yet, Aryan is still viewed as an 'idol' (it's unbelievable), by some people.

Preach it sista

AarynGriesFan shade?

Drag ha :wink:

Have they done away with the cheesy "________ calling" thing they'd start off with? :laugh:

Oops wrong thread. :hee: