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Withano 29-05-2015 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Tøm (Post 7822504)
oh my god what is happening here

People are defending one mans right to sexually assault others if he was "only 'avain a laugh"

ThriceShy 29-05-2015 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 7822511)
People are defending one mans right to sexually assault others if he "was only 'avain a laugh"

You really believe that Joel was sexually assaulted?

Joel appears to not agree with you. He hasn't made a police complaint and he says he feels responsible for aaron leaving.

Rob! 29-05-2015 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Beetlejuice (Post 7822502)
Joel isn't a woman. and men and women are different.

Considering how much you hate the show I'm frankly amazed you're still here to give such an idiotic opinion. Maybe live feed would have made me see a borderline sexual assault differently. Those editors :fist:

Withano 29-05-2015 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 7822513)
You really believe that Joel was sexually assaulted?

Joel appears to not agree with you. He hasn't made a police complaint and he says he feels responsible for aaron leaving.

Sexual assault.. As in without consent.. Yes? That's hard to disagree with by anybody's standards

Withano 29-05-2015 01:09 AM

What I find most astonishing about this thread is that people think that their own opinions are more important than Joel's.

Bottom line is: if the victim was made uncomfortable, then the persecutor was in the wrong.

Joel made it crystal ****ing clear that the advances were unwelcome and the line is not up for anybody but Joel to determine.

ThriceShy 29-05-2015 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 7822515)
Sexual assault.. As in without consent.. Yes? That's hard to disagree with by anybody's standards

The definition of sexual assault that I am familiar with is the one where someone criminally assaults another person in a sexual fashion.

Joel feels responsible for aaron leaving so is he responsible for being assaulted? Or are you just overreacting and this wasn't actually an assault?

Kizzy 29-05-2015 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 7822519)
What I find most astonishing about this thread is that people think that their own opinions are more important than Joel's.

Bottom line is: if the victim was made uncomfortable, then the persecutor was in the wrong.

Joel made it crystal ****ing clear that the advances were unwelcome and the line is not up for anybody but Joel to determine.

Nobody is saying that at all.
He was running around chucking stuff and laughing, at worst Aaron totally misread the situation...as did most of the people in the room seemingly.

It would have made it clearer if he had left the room and not participated in any naked bedroom antics at all.

ThriceShy 29-05-2015 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 7822519)
What I find most astonishing about this thread is that people think that their own opinions are more important than Joel's.

Bottom line is: if the victim was made uncomfortable, then the persecutor was in the wrong.

Joel made it crystal ****ing clear that the advances were unwelcome and the line is not up for anybody but Joel to determine.

I agree with the BIB.

Joel thinks that aaron should not have been evicted. Why do people think their opinion that he should have been is more important?

Beetlejuice 29-05-2015 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob! (Post 7822514)
Considering how much you hate the show I'm frankly amazed you're still here to give such an idiotic opinion.

Pointing out that men and women are different is an "idiotic opinion". Okay.


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Maybe live feed would have made me see a borderline sexual assault differently. Those editors :fist:
A "borderline sexual assault" :laugh:

Rob! 29-05-2015 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Beetlejuice (Post 7822530)
Pointing out that men and women are different is an "idiotic opinion". Okay.




A "borderline sexual assault" :laugh:

You consider a sexual assault to be what exactly?

Beetlejuice 29-05-2015 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 7822519)
What I find most astonishing about this thread is that people think that their own opinions are more important than Joel's.

Bottom line is: if the victim was made uncomfortable, then the persecutor was in the wrong.

Who is saying he wasn't in the wrong? We're just saying it was over the top to throw him out.

ThriceShy 29-05-2015 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Beetlejuice (Post 7822532)
Who is saying he wasn't in the wrong? We're just saying it was over the top to throw him out.

And Joel agrees with us.

Beetlejuice 29-05-2015 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob! (Post 7822531)
You consider a sexual assault to be what exactly?

The worst you could say of that incident was that it was harassment. And a very minor example if so. And I'm not sure I'd even call it that.

Beetlejuice 29-05-2015 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 7822536)
And Joel agrees with us.

Has Joel said he agrees with Aaron being thrown out?

Rob! 29-05-2015 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Beetlejuice (Post 7822537)
The worst you could say of that incident was that it was harassment. And a very minor example if so. And I'm not sure I'd even call it that.

Ok, I can accept that - sexual harassment. But it's different because it was a man doing it to a man as opposed to if say Danny was doing it to one of the twins?

mrflibble 29-05-2015 01:23 AM

Relative to other behaviour that has gone unpunished and what other housemates have been ejected for, I don't think he should've been ejected. A warning would've been totally sufficient. Yes, he went too far but he thought he was having a laugh with a friend and it was in playful spirit. I'm not an Aaron fan and Joel was clearly uncomfortable and not inviting it, but the other housemates were egging Aaron on and laughing at it and to eject Aaron and not put any blame on the others is a bit unfair. I think a serious warning would've made Aaron take a look at his behaviour and stop it. It doesn't make any difference to me if it had been guy/girl or girl/guy; I think it's inappropriate behaviour, but not enough to eject someone for.

Beetlejuice 29-05-2015 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob! (Post 7822539)
Ok, I can accept that - sexual harassment. But it's different because it was a man doing it to a man as opposed to if say Danny was doing it to one of the twins?

I think it would be worse if it was a man doing it to a young girl, yes. We men are used to seeing each other naked and messing around.

Liam- 29-05-2015 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Beetlejuice (Post 7822544)
I think it would be worse if it was a man doing it to a young girl, yes. We men are used to seeing each other naked and messing around.

Not all men are used to seeing other men naked and certainly not all men are used to having a naked guy rubbing up on them and trying to bend them over, stop generalising and trying to make what happened less serious to fit your own messed up views.

Moya_shark 29-05-2015 01:26 AM

Surely, a stern warning+ punishment would have been enough. No one remembers Bianca rolling around in sewage water last year? I bet some housemates fell uncomfortable then too. Aaron probably didn't deserve to get kicked out but I ain't mad at it.

ThriceShy 29-05-2015 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Beetlejuice (Post 7822538)
Has Joel said he agrees with Aaron being thrown out?

No he has said he doesn't agree with aaron being thrown out. I am on the same side as you. I am saying that Joel agrees with you and I that it shouldn't have been an ejection.

Beetlejuice 29-05-2015 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 7822545)
Not all men are used to seeing other men naked and certainly not all men are used to having a naked guy rubbing up on them and trying to bend them over, stop generalising and trying to make what happened less serious to fit your own messed up views.

What happened was not at all serious.

Rob! 29-05-2015 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Beetlejuice (Post 7822544)
I think it would be worse if it was a man doing it to a young girl, yes. We men are used to seeing each other naked and messing around.

Are we? :umm2:

But put things into perspective - Aaron made it clear he fancied Joel, then proceeded to do everything that we saw tonight. Joel says he is straight - which should be good enough for anyone - and that he felt uncomfortable with Aaron was doing.
Where is the difference? Are you saying that Joel should have toughned up and just dealt with what was going on?

Beetlejuice 29-05-2015 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 7822547)
No he has said he doesn't agree with aaron being thrown out. I am on the same side as you. I am saying that Joel agrees with you and I that it shouldn't have been an ejection.

Ah okay. Sorry.

ThriceShy 29-05-2015 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Beetlejuice (Post 7822549)
What happened was not at all serious.

Agreed.

I made the point earlier that in some previous series the incident probably wouldn't have made the highlights show.

It was some drunk people messing about, followed by sly joel seeing the chance to throw aaron under the bus in the diary room.

Beetlejuice 29-05-2015 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob! (Post 7822550)
Are we? :umm2:

But put things into perspective - Aaron made it clear he fancied Joel, then proceeded to do everything that we saw tonight. Joel says he is straight - which should be good enough for anyone - and that he felt uncomfortable with Aaron was doing.
Where is the difference? Are you saying that Joel should have toughned up and just dealt with what was going on?

No, I think Aaron went too far, but it wasn't that serious and it was calmed down immediately by BB and a warning would have been sufficient. Kicking the guy out was absurd.

Beetlejuice 29-05-2015 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 7822552)
Agreed.

I made the point earlier that in some previous series the incident probably wouldn't have made the highlights show.

It was some drunk people messing about, followed by sly joel seeing the chance to throw aaron under the bus in the diary room.

I don't know if Joel was being sly. He was clearly fed up and I didn't like how the other housemates treated Joel during the spin the bottle game, and I can't stand Aaron, but I've never seen such an overreaction on this show to anything.

Liam- 29-05-2015 01:34 AM

I haven't got time for some of the, quite frankly, moronic and abhorrent opinions people have on this matter, victim shaming and blaming is never good, especially when it's clear as day that said victim has been sexually assaulted, it actually makes me worry about this world that people see fit to sympathise with the perpetrator and lay blame at the victims door.

Man or woman, nobody should have to deal with being made to feel uncomfortable, they shouldn't have to deal with perverts invading their personal space just because said person is drunk, or just because said person is the same sex as them, sexual harassment is sexual harassment and it should be death with properly and it has been, end of story, stop embarrassing yourselves.

Beetlejuice 29-05-2015 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 7822558)
I haven't got time for some of the, quite frankly, moronic and abhorrent opinions people have on this matter, victim shaming and blaming is never good, especially when it's clear as day that said victim has been sexually assaulted, it actually makes me worry about this world that people see fit to sympathise with the perpetrator and lay blame at the victims door.

Man or woman, nobody should have to deal with being made to feel uncomfortable, they shouldn't have to deal with perverts invading their personal space just because said person is drunk, or just because said person is the same sex as them, sexual harassment is sexual harassment and it should be death with properly.

I agree, the death penalty should be reintroduced for Aaron.

ThriceShy 29-05-2015 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 7822558)
I haven't got time for some of the, quite frankly, moronic and abhorrent opinions people have on this matter, victim shaming and blaming is never good, especially when it's clear as day that said victim has been sexually assaulted, it actually makes me worry about this world that people see fit to sympathise with the perpetrator and lay blame at the victims door.

Man or woman, nobody should have to deal with being made to feel uncomfortable, they shouldn't have to deal with perverts invading their personal space just because said person is drunk, or just because said person is the same sex as them, sexual harassment is sexual harassment and it should be death with properly and it has been, end of story, stop embarrassing yourselves.

So why has this "victim" said he feels responsible for aaron going, wants him back in and thinks he was a good friend and a good housemate? And why aren't the police involved? Doesn't everyone have a duty to make sure this dangerous sex attacker doesn't assault others in future?

ThriceShy 29-05-2015 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Beetlejuice (Post 7822561)
I agree, the death penalty should be reintroduced for Aaron.

Death by a thousand ******s?:joker:

The starred out word rhymes with runts.

Beetlejuice 29-05-2015 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 7822563)
So why has this "victim" said he feels responsible for aaron going, wants him back in and thinks he was a good friend and a good housemate? And why aren't the police involved? Doesn't everyone have a duty to make sure this dangerous sex attacker doesn't assault others in future?

Where has Joel said this?

ThriceShy 29-05-2015 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Beetlejuice (Post 7822566)
Where has Joel said this?

In the BB house. He is on big brother, you know.

Beetlejuice 29-05-2015 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 7822568)
In the BB house. He is on big brother, you know.

Yeah, yeah. Is there a video? I didn't watch BOTS

the truth 29-05-2015 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 7822328)
Trust me I'm not wrong.

Aaron's behaviour wasn't much different to Dappy, Luisa, or Perez in their sexual outbursts.

It was totally different and you are totally wrong

ThriceShy 29-05-2015 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Beetlejuice (Post 7822570)
Yeah, yeah. Is there a video? I didn't watch BOTS

Yes but I can't remember where I watched it now. It might have been on bots actually.

You see him looking devastated and blaming himself and the other housemates telling him that it isn't his fault. And he goes into the diary room asking if aaron will be back.


You can see he did not want him to go at all.

All this stuff about sexual assault is utter hysterical nonsense from the PC brigade.

Mystic Mock 29-05-2015 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Amy Jade (Post 7822434)
Wow at the nastiness towards Mock just for not pandering to common opinion.

Isn't that just the Dezzy and Liam way?

Mystic Mock 29-05-2015 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7822459)
That's a really rude nasty thing to say dezzy, I happen to agree that Aaron should still be in there and a warning would suffice. My parents didn't fail me I rationalised the situation.

And Dezzy wonders why some members hate him.

For a Mod to his too petulant and rude.

Macie Lightfoot 29-05-2015 02:03 AM

I think the issue is pretty clear-cut. Someone on another forum explained it best, using your penis to make someone else feel uncomfortable is certainly grounds for expulsion.

Mystic Mock 29-05-2015 02:04 AM

Tbh another reason that Joel did that in the Diary Room was because he was scared about what would happen to his political career afterwards, understandable I suppose, but another Housemate has lost their place because of this action.

RichardG 29-05-2015 02:06 AM

With the extent to which it went, yes, he should've been removed.

I don't think it should have been let to go that far, he should've been called to the diary room straight away once he started 'flashing' as soon as it was clear Joel was uncomfortable (heck, he should've been warned days ago, then maybe he never wouldve tried this in the first place - even better!!). Equally everyone in the bedroom should've stopped laughing and encouraging him to continue. Then he could've been given a final warning and remained in the house, though of course there's nothing to say he wouldn't have just gone to the extreme he did tonight on some other day in the future anyway.

I don't think Aaron intended to be nasty, he probably messes around with his friends like that in a jokey way in his own circles. It just wasn't appropriate in the house and particularly with someone who clearly wasn't happy with it.


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