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Beso 09-01-2016 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 8406849)
It doesn't always work with same sex couples either. They can abuse children too. Nothings perfect. The point is they try to match a child with parents he/she will thrive with and be loved by, they just don't give them away nilly willy. I doubt very much that many paedophiles would pretend to be gay and go through that whole lengthy process to get a child to abuse. Just because it's happened a few times doesn't mean it's worth discussing. It's not because it's not an issue that is at all prevalent.

The fact that it fails once is enough for me to find it far more of an important subject to discuss than anything else mentioned in this thread. But each to their own.

chuff me dizzy 09-01-2016 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8406838)
It is the same principal in all walks of life.Strengths and weaknesses.

Children need the balance of a female and male parent

chuff me dizzy 09-01-2016 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 8406864)
A child being brought up by a single parent doesn't mean anything, I know loads who have brought up by a single parent and they have the same view as people who have two parents.

Being brought up by a single parent is totally different to same sex parents

LukeB 09-01-2016 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 8406875)
Being brought up by a single parent is totally different to same sex parents

Same sex parents won't effect the child either :shrug:

Beso 09-01-2016 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 8406862)
No it isn't just in Vicky's eyes.

Having read through the thread including the deleted comments I agree that the debate had turned offensive and inflammatory, others were also offended by it going by the reports.


Even after it was explained that no one was linking gay couples to paedophilia.:shrug:

May as well delete the whole thread then if we cant discuss all aspects of winstons comments.:sleep:

chuff me dizzy 09-01-2016 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 8406879)
Same sex parents won't effect the child either :shrug:

Load of rubbish

Niamh. 09-01-2016 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 8406888)
Load of rubbish


How will they effect the child then?

LukeB 09-01-2016 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 8406888)
Load of rubbish

How? why is it any different.. because they are gay/lesbian? who imo should be treated the same as straight because everyone is equal.

Josy 09-01-2016 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 8406886)
Even after it was explained that no one was linking gay couples to paedophilia.:shrug:

May as well delete the whole thread then if we cant discuss all aspects of winstons comments.[emoji99]

No need to delete the whole thread I'm sure most are capable of taking part in debates without being offensive at the same time.

ThriceShy 09-01-2016 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 8406896)
No need to delete the whole thread I'm sure most are capable of taking part in debates without being offensive at the same time.

Offence is taken, not given.

Josy 09-01-2016 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 8406901)
Offence is taken, not given.

Oh it's given plenty by some.

Beso 09-01-2016 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 8406896)
No need to delete the whole thread I'm sure most are capable of taking part in debates without being offensive at the same time.

No one was being offensive last night but look what happened.

Northern Monkey 09-01-2016 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 8406864)
A child being brought up by a single parent doesn't mean anything, I know loads who have brought up by a single parent and they have the same view as people who have two parents.

So you are saying they would have been exactly the same with a mum and dad.I disagree,Upbringing undoubtedly has an impact on adulthood.Nurture plays a role just as nature does.

jet 09-01-2016 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 8406867)
The fact that it fails once is enough for me to find it far more of an important subject to discuss than anything else mentioned in this thread. But each to their own.

Oops. That first line was meant to say 'opposite sex couples'.
I think you are just looking for something, anything, to beat gay couples wanting to adopt with. IMO. :shrug:

Josy 09-01-2016 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 8406915)
No one was being offensive last night but look what happened.

They were though.

You asked why the posts were deleted and you were answered by 2 of us so can you stop derailing the thread and stick to the original discussion now.

AProducer'sWetDream 09-01-2016 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8406917)
So you are saying they would have been exactly the same with a mum and dad.I disagree,Upbringing undoubtedly has an impact on adulthood.Nurture plays a role just as nature does.

Of course it would have an impact- not a negative one though...

chuff me dizzy 09-01-2016 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8406894)
How will they effect the child then?

You've got children, you really should know the answer

Ammi 09-01-2016 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8406917)
So you are saying they would have been exactly the same with a mum and dad.I disagree,Upbringing undoubtedly has an impact on adulthood.Nurture plays a role just as nature does.

..of course, but why would it bring any negative qualities in parenting from a same sex couple, that couldn't be there in a male/female parenting situation ..?...

LukeB 09-01-2016 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8406917)
So you are saying they would have been exactly the same with a mum and dad.I disagree,Upbringing undoubtedly has an impact on adulthood.Nurture plays a role just as nature does.

Makes an impact but not an negative one :shrug:

Niamh. 09-01-2016 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 8406923)
You've got children, you really should know the answer


Yes I have 2 very well adjusted open minded children who have no issue what so ever with homosexuality. I believe, as a mother that all kids need is love, stability and attention from their parent/s

Beso 09-01-2016 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 8406921)
They were though.

You asked why the posts were deleted and you were answered by 2 of us so can you stop derailing the thread and stick to the original discussion now.

Fair enough, I would like proof of someone being offensive though if you're going to toss that accusation about.

ThriceShy 09-01-2016 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 8406906)
Oh it's given plenty by some.

Nope, it is only ever taken, by definition. It is something the reader does, not the publisher.

My two posts that were removed were simply links to news outlets. If people take offence at that then they have a problem.

Will you be removing anything that anyone is offended by?

Kizzy 09-01-2016 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8406838)
It is the same principal in all walks of life.Strengths and weaknesses.

Well no, I meant strong as in character you took it to mean physical displays of brute strength for some reason.

LukeB 09-01-2016 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8406930)
Yes I have 2 very well adjusted open minded children who have no issue what so ever with homosexuality. I believe, as a mother that all kids need is love, stability and attention from their parent/s

:clap1:

Vicky. 09-01-2016 02:56 PM

The only way I can see having same sex parents as affecting the child is because the child will be more of a target for bullying. I believe this has been discussed on here before too.

I do not think same sex adoption should not happen because of this, I mean kids are bullied for all sorts of reasons anyway. Plus once its more common for gay couples to have kids, it will be less of an 'issue'. But I am just pointing out the only way I can see for it to affect a child. Unless there is more I am missing?

Firewire 09-01-2016 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8406940)
The only way I can see having same sex parents as affecting the child is because the child will be more of a target for bullying. I believe this has been discussed on here before too.

I do not think same sex adoption should not happen because of this, I mean kids are bullied for all sorts of reasons anyway. Plus once its more common for gay couples to have kids, it will be less of an 'issue'. But I am just pointing out the only way I can see for it to affect a child. Unless there is more I am missing?

And if it's a baby that's adopted it won't be able to drink its mother's breast milk but that's about it

JoshBB 09-01-2016 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 8406923)
You've got children, you really should know the answer

Well clearly Niamh doesn't, and neither do the rest of us... so why don't you back up your claims with some actual argument rather than spouting ignorance and ad hominem attacks.

Vicky. 09-01-2016 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 8406935)
Nope, it is only ever taken, by definition. It is something the reader does, not the publisher.

My two posts that were removed were simply links to news outlets. If people take offence at that then they have a problem.

Will you be removing anything that anyone is offended by?

I have already explained that yours were not deleted because they were offensive, but because the rest of that line of conversation had been deleted so in context of the thread, the links would make no sense and it would look like you randomly posted links about paedophiles for no reason?

chuff me dizzy 09-01-2016 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8406930)
Yes I have 2 very well adjusted open minded children who have no issue what so ever with homosexuality. I believe, as a mother that all kids need is love, stability and attention from their parent/s

And I have 4 children all of the same ilk ,but they need me AND their father to have the balanced life they have

Ammi 09-01-2016 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8406940)
The only way I can see having same sex parents as affecting the child is because the child will be more of a target for bullying. I believe this has been discussed on here before too.

I do not think same sex adoption should not happen because of this, I mean kids are bullied for all sorts of reasons anyway. Plus once its more common for gay couples to have kids, it will be less of an 'issue'. But I am just pointing out the only way I can see for it to affect a child. Unless there is more I am missing?


..indeed, children can be bullied for many reasons regardless of who their parents are and I have never found in our school, any child being specifically bullied because their parents are gay..in some cases, a curiosity has been provoked because children are naturally curious of many things...but that's a good thing, I think because it's an opportunity to explain, different types of families, which they learn about anyway...a child questioning is a good thing and dispels prejudice in their lives...

Vicky. 09-01-2016 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 8406945)
And if it's a baby that's adopted it won't be able to drink its mother's breast milk but that's about it

I guess, but even if the baby wasn't adopted there is no guarantee it would be breastfeeding anyway. And if a heterosexual couple/single person adopted the child it wouldn't be drinking its mothers breastmilk either.

I just fail to see any reason why same sex parents would affect the child...I am trying to but I haven't even seen a reason posted yet besides 'a child needs a mother and a father' :shrug:

Beso 09-01-2016 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 8406937)
You are just being ridiculous now.

In your eyes, anyway can you re post that link you posted last night as i was half way through reading it but went for a coffee and couldnt finish it cause it was deleted.:blush:

Firewire 09-01-2016 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8406954)
I guess, but even if the baby wasn't adopted there is no guarantee it would be breastfeeding anyway. And if a heterosexual couple/single person adopted the child it wouldn't be drinking its mothers breastmilk either.

I just fail to see any reason why same sex parents would affect the child...I am trying to but I haven't even seen a reason posted yet besides 'a child needs a mother and a father' :shrug:

I agree with you I was just trying to think of a reason

Vicky. 09-01-2016 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 8406959)
I agree with you I was just trying to think of a reason

Oh yeah..well so far we have

the kid may be bullied
the kid will not be able to drink its mothers breastmilk

Anymore? :laugh:

Shaun 09-01-2016 03:08 PM

The kid will have nothing to spend money on for Mothers Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :fist:

AnnieK 09-01-2016 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 8406979)
The kid will have nothing to spend money on for Mothers Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :fist:

Sand have to buy two fathers days gifts :fist: Poor deprived child

Firewire 09-01-2016 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 8406979)
The kid will have nothing to spend money on for Mothers Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :fist:

people won't be able to make "your mama" jokes!!!

Vicky. 09-01-2016 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 8406979)
The kid will have nothing to spend money on for Mothers Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :fist:

Or have to spend double on mothers day!!!111!!! Equality ftw shaun :fist:

JoshBB 09-01-2016 03:18 PM

The poor child will either have no house or no love.. because everyone knows all males go to work and all females stay at home :bawling:

Kizzy 09-01-2016 03:25 PM

The child will grow up too strong as men go around lifting things all the time.


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