Bennybobs claimants can do those jobs for £2 an hour.

Sigh


E V I D E N C E??

Sick and tired of sample size one

Thinking fact

I'm sorry you are being equated to a sample :HeHe:

If you have ever deeply researched 'Immigration and The UK' or regularly watched programmes on immigration - such as 'Immigration Undercover', 'Illegal Immigrant and Proud', 'The Truth About Immigration' etc, or the excellent 'Border Force UK', you will soon come to realise, that:

a) The British Government does not KNOW how many LEGAL IMMIGRANTS' are in the UK.

b) The British Government does not know how many ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are in the UK

c) The UK Border Agency make very little difference to the numbers of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS entering the UK, and have even less of an impact in ensuring that those they do catch are removed or 'secured', because - under the absurd EU laws - the greater percentage of detected illegal immigrants are simply placed in open accomodation in London (paid for by the UK taxpayer) and simply told 'not to abscond'.

It is NOT the Immigrants to blame - it is the Government and the system.

Out of the EU, we can and will, repeal all the inane EU laws which have rendered it nigh impossible for us to control immigration, and unfettered immigration will be reduced and more thorough policing of our ports and airports will be initiated.

Immigration may have been high on the list of the concerns of a lot of people who voted to 'Leave' the EU, but it is not the ONLY concern, and I do not believe at all, that 'immigration is all anyone was bothered about'.

Ah.... that makes sense actually, now they don't need to set up agencies to bring in cheap labour they can introduce mandatory work schemes for claimants and 'apprenticeships' for the yoofs even cheaper.

Why exploit foreigners when we have plenty of people here to exploit? I get it now.

Another 2 people on my FB shared this :(

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

Definitely allowing more racists to come out of the closet. Never saw anything like this in all the years I have been on there, the sheer amount of racism and ignorance is shocking.

This album is what made me start this thread.

Skim read most. Thats ****ing disgusting.

well, the laws surrounding racism remain the same. They don't change, so if this brings racists out into the open where it can be dealt with, it can only be good.

I have no doubt that racists attached themselves to the brexit campaign, but one cannot lump everyone who voted out into the same category. So while it may seem like its made things worse, I think its just made it more obvious.

I am not on facebook.I hate it, however even my family are appalled at the tone and statements being made after this result.
Makes me near ashamed to be part of the UK.

Seen some similar comments on here at times, (just an observation)

...just reading some of Vicky's Facebook stuff...anyways I don't do Facebook and I don't do social media but I have spoken to a few older people since the vote and yeah they have said some things that have made me cringe in their views but their views don't come from 'hate'...they come from fear and from not being talked through and rationalised in their fears...one of the older people is fairly much someone who doesn't leave the house that much, so her influences are TV/news etc...so for her, what she's seeing is so much negative stuff and ISIS ARE EVERYWHERE..she doesn't have a balance to that and she had felt in her vote that she was voting for the younger people and making their world safer and better, you know...anyways, with mind-sets that are fixed like that and fixed from a generation of their influences from childhood and youth etc...I doubt that there will be any change and yes, racism/prejudice etc but not hateful as such...just ignorance....I do feel though and I know an unpopular opinion...that however wrong these things are, fears should be educated rather than 'shouted RACIST at'...because that will achieve nothing and only add another layer of intolerance on top of intolerance....so will add to what is an issue and a problem and very real...these mindsets will only and can only stop being handed down through generations if we discuss them/educate them and not though accusing them, which is so often and mostly the case...all that will do is make them defensive and hostile....

But but but I thought Brexiters weren't racist?:laugh:

"Leave vote it's not about trade and other business it's about immigration simple as that! It's to stop the Muslims..."
http://i.imgur.com/RriDd0U.jpg
Movement is alright just not from brown people :laugh:

Exactly what ISIS want. Soon the Muslim community will feel even more isolated then eventually give in more and more to Isis grooming.

As always I admire your endless optimism Ammi but... MOST hatred is fuelled by fear and ignorance, from little old Betty to the most hardcore and violent Britain First skinhead. The latter has got himself buffed up into what he sees as a "soldier" to fight back, while Betty hides in her home, but he's no less afraid and that's why he wants to fight.

I guess my point is... Pointing out that Betty's hatred is borne out of fear and ignorance does not stop it from being hatred.

Agreed. Some people so concerned with keeping people out of the country, that they don't give a second thought to the consequences of rejecting those who are already here.

..it's got nothing to do with optimism at all TS..I see prejudice/racist stuff at work from small children...would you say that was 'hate' also..?...because there is no hate in them at all, it's inherited through environments and influences and shouting it down will achieve absolutely nothing at all..it will only breed defensiveness and on and on and on...nothing will ever change...there is only one 'fight' against ignorance that can ever have any chance of victory whatsoever and that's educating and discussing and understanding that person's fears or prejudices...I'm not optimistic at all, I'm very much a realist....

just been to take the children to school and can report that i did not come across any racism

will update later when I go to the Spar..


LT

:worship: The intellectual quality of this forum would not only be severely impaired without you Ammi, one truely impartial voice of reason (BOTS being the other) would be gone.

Hopefully now that we can finally look forward to a more controlled immigration policy racism will decline.

Overheard this in my ASDA supermarket this morning by a group of men too as to this referendum.

They better get moving and make sure they stop 'them' coming into our Country, that's what was voted for.

Whoever 'them' may be is open to anyone's guess,whoever they are, they are likely not seen as people or human beings.

:joker: You are aware of the problems Australia has with racism, right?

The Polish are great, we have loads over here and from my experience they're really hard working and a nice bunch, they've integrated really well here

well no as I have never heard of Australia having a particular problem with racism and i do tend to keep up to date with current affairs. I lived on australia and never came across racism?

I am sure there are racists there but its a big place very few people

yep, hard working and good people in my experience

Aus has huge problems with both racism (particularly against black people and people of Aboriginal origin) and homophobia. Improving steadily for decades, but still some major issues.

Australia is 20 years behind the UK so it not being the same as the UK is no surprise but how do you qualify a huge problems? oz is one of the most sought after countries to emigrate to.


I think if you stopped 100 people in any street in the UK and asked "does Oz have a huge problem with racism?" 100 would say no

just my guess

That's a generalisation which we apparently should'nt make.Some Polish are great and some are definately not.We had some living down our street who were constantly pissed and upsetting the neighbours.Many of them had arguments with them but i don't judge them all on just the ones i know.

Do you know what I've noticed and find really sad? Over the last couple of weeks, and especially since Thursday, there's been a noticeable difference in a lot of my immigrant customers. They're making obvious deliberate efforts to make small talk / chat about sports and events / generally making clear efforts to, for want of a better term, "be liked".

Not that this is a bad thing in itself, of course the outcome of such efforts can only be a good thing. But the REASONS for it - the obvious desperation to be accepted and liked and not glared at or whispered about (and believe me there has been plenty of that) - is very sad.

You live in Scotland - in which particular 'bubble' of splendid isolation the Lord only knows - so what qualifies you to denigrate decent English people, old or otherwise, who have genuine grievances about the impairment to the quality of their lives, wrought by unfettered immigration into their communities?

The majority of British people - and that, by their own voilition, includes huge numbers of long domiciled immigrants, coloured or otherwise - who are concerned about uncontrolled runaway immigration, are NOT racist, xenophobic, or ignorant. They are ordinary, decent, people who have genuine concerns borne of actual direct personal experience, of the extremely adverse effects on their traditional way of life.

These 'indigenous' people are not filled with hatred, just concern. They are not against immigrants in reasonable numbers who integrate, just alarmed by huge numbers of immigrants who have not integrated, but formed ghettos; scaled down replications of the native villages, towns, and cities in their own countries - THE countries which they have left to come to Britain.

In addition to the now long established and accepted Asian usurpation of huge parts of the UK, there is now ever increasingly more areas in Great Britain where British people are GENUINELY suffering because their traditional British way of life has been, and increasingly still is being, usurped by the relentless influx of Eastern European immigrants.

Which areas of the UK now does not have its 'Little Polands', 'Little Romanias' etc? - areas where the shops, businesses, houses, and markets are owned, staffed and patronised by immigrants. Areas where English is a foreign language, and British traditions and culture even more foreign.

No one in authority has done anything to allay the concerns of these usurped indegeous citizens, because they are prejudiced against such concerns by their own political persuasions, or are fearful of the P.C. driven backlash, or are rendered impotent by 'EU Legislation'.

So yes, these people are concerned, and feel marginalised, forgotten, contemptuously ignored by the politicians whom they elected to serve them and trusted with their votes.

And YES, the win by the 'Vote Leave' campaign was partly due to the votes of these anxious citizens, because it was 'payback' time - a message to the Government, that if immigrants lives matter, then so should the lives of the downtrodden, suffering people who put this Government in power.

These people are NOT Xenophobic and NOT racist, and neither is their concerns bred of ignorance or irrational fear, but very much borne from the real increasingly adverse experiences of how uncontrolled immigration is decimating the lives of decent, ordinary people.

TS its only the first week
its a temp blip.


Conservatives
Run The UK


Farage is not part of the Cabinet.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...ine3_pa226.jpg
Fecking Get that old Tory of the BBC Breakfast
he is stupid keeps saying they need Farage



FARAGE is UKIP
another Party

"You live in Scotland -"


How Nice

This is why i said "in my experience" :hee:

So you open your denial that you / others are xenophobic by directly commenting on my nationality and inferring certain things about what that means.

Slow. Clap

I was in town today, a bunch of Takeaways have had their windows smashed and the atmosphere was generally tense as ****.

We employ quite a few polish people at work and I'm worried for them, I hope they haven't been targeted.

Ian Paisley Jnr is advising Unionists in Northern Ireland to get a ROI passport :o

It would be the same for any british people in their country if the roles were reversed I am sure

Yes the Irish Passport Office Needs More Staff
can you spare 46hours a week Fine Lady
to Assist

I already have a job I'm afraid Arista