Where we live in France they don't open at all on Sunday. During the week they open at 9am, close at 12:00 for lunch and open around 14:00 if they can be bothered and then they close for the night at 17:30 :(

My wife did a year abroad in France with Uni and I went over for about 6 weeks... It wasn't just Sundays where she was! Everything (except bars) shut all weekend... There was actually a weekend that we forgot to get food in on the Friday and lived on crisps and chocolate out if the uni dorms vending machines :joker:.

If you can't get organised in the 6.5 days they are open :nono: we like to give the staff time with their families down South :hmph:

:clap1: this happens in Spain except in high season when they open Sunday mornings for the tourists

They'll be working the exact same number of hours, though :shrug:. It's a religious throwback and you know it :fist:. Bet it's gone in a decade or so anyway [emoji23]

Surely there's a number of them that work shifts around one another though? :laugh:

Unless the South have robots working 24/7? :think:

Might be the same number of hours but weekend work does not sit well with school hours :nono: family time is important to us Southerners :hee:

Yes it does, I explained this in another thread I'm sure... You work all weekend, then in the week you send the li'l buggers off to school and relax and nap on the couch and argue on Tibb and stuff. Its a flawless system...

:laugh: don't forget binging on Netflix

Not any more, they cancelled all of the shows because of historic sex offences.

I'm sure ours closes at 4 on a sunday. Lazy bastards wanting an extra hour off :bored:

My mate works in tesco and apparently shes having to work xmas day. Shops not open, but they still want staff in. horrible *****. No need for anyone who works in a shop to do xmas really. Maybe with the exception of a couple of petrol stations and corner shops where the OWNERS do the shifts as they want the cash

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It didn't go over my head at all, it's all meant to be god. God above, God as flesh, and then the spirit of god in all of us,.... all GOD// not three sep[arate things, all the same thing, God. that's the whole point.

It's meant to be a part of him.

Holy spirit the spiritual part and his son the flesh and blood. Hence... son. Children are flesh and blood.

Hence Jesus referring to his father in his teachings.

um, no, God literally raped Mary in order to give birth to himself. God was taking flesh form to give his OWN message. Jesus is not a separate entity from God, he was God incarnate come to earth to deliver his own word because humans had supposedly become so corrupt and not living by his word that he had to come to earth to spread his own word and deliver the true word of god.

I think Alex is right actually, the father, son and holy spirit are all supposed to be one and the same. That's what we always learned anyway in school etc

They're all a part of him and together they make the holy trinity. :shrug:

I understood it the way Alex is saying anyhow (not that I was ever paying much attention in religion lol)

God isn't human so, no, he didn't literally rape Mary.

Jesus was still a separate entity, made from God and designed to spread his word.

got impreganted Mary without consent (then sent an angel to inform her) so that he could take flesh form on earth as a human being, Jesus of Nazareth.

Thank you, i know i'm not just making this up. lol i went to sunday school too many times to just be making this up. It was always made very clear that God/Jesus/Holy spirit were all ONE God. Three different manifestations but all part of the same all powerful God.

Lostalex has it right here I'm afraid...

Father, Son and Holy Spirit = Holy Trinity = God


I think the best way to think of Jesus is that he is basically an "avatar"... he's God in human form, but also, an individual in his own right (in terms of human experiences), which is what would make his death a "sacrifice" (the sacrifice of the human life that God was living in that body, and the pain and suffering he endured in that body) but he is not actually a separate entity to God in most Christian lore, basically. Also the resurrection isn't a resurrection, as such, the human body is still dead but God himself obviously can't die, and simply leaves back to Heaven or wherever God hangs his hat. The human "Jesus" will live with God from that point forward, but I guess that would be sort of a metaphor; that "life" stays with him.

And obviously there's the whole "second coming" thing where he's supposed to come back at some point and sort sh*t out, which seems sort of overdue, but who knows?

He is separate in Islamic literature of course, where he is simply a Great Prophet of God, so just a normal human given special status by God.


Disclaimer: Obviously it's all BS but it does make pretty compelling fantasy sci-fi... I reckon I'd really like Biblical stuff if it WAS regarded as just some good ol' fiction :joker:. Like... I'd totally watch it... that's some LoTR / GoT level stuff right there.

Yeah, I was born into Catholicism and we did religion (Catholic indoctrination basically) all through school and that's how I always understood it

He violated her bodily autonomy and impregnated her / forced her to carry a child without her consent... I mean obviously it's not literal rape as there was no sexual act, but... it sure is something, if it was in a modern context there would be outrage :joker:. He'd probably have to try like 10 times. "Oh FFS, aborted AGAIN??"

(Again, disclaimer, it's all fantasy and if the Jesus/Mary/Joseph story has any historical accuracy... then Mary and Joseph were being bad and didn't want anyone to find out :nono: )

its where the various branches of christianity clearly diverge then, because certainly he was a son and not god himself in what i learnt

I'm pretty sure the basis of every branch of christianity is still that Jesus was God. That's pretty universal... at least I thought it was...

Quite possibly BOTS, I know there are some differences between Catholic beliefs and Protestant like whether the Eucharist is symbolic or literal etc

If you don't believe that Jesus was God then you aren't a christian... the bible makes it very clear the difference between prophets that spoke the word of God, and the actual EVENT of GOD coming to earth. That's the whole point of the new testament. and if you don't believe the new testament, then you're basically just a Jew. to put it bluntly.

The fumes. :joker:

The way TS explains in his first post is exactly how I meant.

Jesus is not God in and of himself. He is a part of God. Very different. Hence being the son.

All of the parts collectively are God.

no. it's very clear. Jesus was God actually coming to earth. he was God, like literally. If you don't believe that Jesus was God, then you aren't a christian, that's the entire reason for the religion.

it's been a while, so i thought i better check :laugh:

In the New Testament, "Son of God" is applied to Jesus on many occasions.[2] Jesus is declared to be the Son of God on two separate occasions by a voice speaking from Heaven. Jesus is also explicitly and implicitly described as the Son of God by himself and by various individuals who appear in the New Testament.[2][5][6][7] As applied to Jesus, the term is a reference to his role as the Messiah, the King chosen by God.[8] The contexts and ways in which Jesus' title, Son of God, means something more than or other than Messiah remain the subject of ongoing scholarly study and discussion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_God

jews and Muslims and many other religions believe Jesus was just a prophet. But the very defining characteristic of christianity was that jesus was the coming of God in human form to the Earth.

If you ar a christian you have to believe that Jesus was god, that's the one thing that you cannot debate in Christianity. Because if Jesus was not God, then he wasn't the Christ, literally.

The idea that Jesus of Nazareth was God is literally the entire basis of the Christian religion. I can't believe we are even debating this.

I'm no expert but its the way we were taught it in school that they're the same "person"

like this :

Is Jesus God?
Some say Jesus Christ was just a man, or maybe a great teacher. But He was and is much more than that. The Bible says Jesus is unique in both His person and His purpose. He wasn’t just some spiritual individual during His time on earth; He was both God’s Son (John 3:16) and God Himself—God in human flesh (I Timothy 3:16). Yes, He was fully man, but He was also fully God (Colossians 2:9).

The claims

Jesus claimed to be God. It might be hard to understand how this could be true, but it’s important to remember that God is much bigger and more powerful than we can comprehend. We do know that Jesus said He existed before Abraham (John 8:58). He claimed that He and His Father are one (John 10:30), and that He is equal with the Father (John 5:17-18).

Not only did He claim to be God, but He also claimed to have the power of God. He said He has the authority to judge the nations (Matthew 25:31-46). He claims the authority to raise people from the dead (John 5:25-29) and to forgive sins (Mark 2:5-7)—things only God can do (I Samuel 2:6; Isaiah 43:25).

Further, Jesus says He has the power to answer prayers (John 14:13-14), and that He will be with His followers always (Matthew 28:20). The New Testament equates Jesus to the creator of the universe (John 1:3), and in John 16:15, He says, “All that belongs to the Father is mine.”

https://goingfarther.net/common-questions/is-jesus-god/

Jesus is god according to the tale

Its kind of the whole deal

the trinity et al

Why would christians pray to Jesus as their lord and savior if Jesus wasn't God? wouldn't that be worshiping a false idol? it's because Jesus is God! (according to christians)

This whole conversation is making me uncomfortable because i'm an athiest now, but I am very clear on my understanding of Christianity, and Jesus is very clearly God in all of christianity. aka THE Lord and Savior. Literally Jesus is God in christianity. I'm very sure about that.

thank you! i know i'm not crazy.

Same :laugh:

wait, i did not confirm that

I think that they had to make Jesus god for the whole shebang to work

It seems simple enough to me; God created a physical human body (which you could call "his son", physically, a human body that he created) but then he put himself, or a humanised incarnation of himself, into that physical body. The body is just a vehicle (an avatar) for the "soul" of God himself, which existed before, and continued to exist after, the body. The body itself didn't have its own separate individual self, however, the "human life" and experiences that God lived inside that body could be considered distinct from the rest of his existence. You could argue that the experience of being human himself altered his understanding of humanity, hence the tonal differences between the new and old testaments, and the general insistence that anything contradictory to the old testament contained in the new testament should be considered to "override" the old testament.

I kind of wish there was truth in it, it's a fascinating story really. I get why people get so invested in it.