I don’t know about GP’s but hospitals are not gender specific. Best practice can be used for men or women but more often its used for women, especially around intimate care. I’m not saying best practice for men is never used but there are a lot more female nurses than male nurses so if a male patient asks for a male nurse and there is no male nurse working in that department, the hospital are not obliged to provide one.

Oh I took your post to be meaning women can request same sex but men cannot at all.

Have never had an intimate exam done in a hospital (exception of giving birth obviously :laugh: ), nor has my husband. But clearly it IS possible to request a same sex practitioner as otherwise this would not have been noted as an admin error, it would have been stated that the right to request either sex was not possible for hospital examinations.

Either way though, the nurse in this case was clearly a dick to argue with the patient claiming their gender identity meant they were actually the opposite sex when the patient said to them that they had asked for a female. So woman was fine asking for a female person to do the exam. NHS made an error but things happen I guess. HCP was very wrong to argue with patient about something patient could see with their own eyes..and to have the mistaken belief that everyone subscribes to this silly idea that physical sex is not a real thing...

I genuinely think that in a professional medical setting, people should be viewing it as a job title rather than a gender anyway. It's more like a mechanic checking a car... It's very rarely comfortable being checked over in any way but you just do it and get on with it? :shrug:

I think it's fair enough, from a safety point of view, for there to be two staff present for certain procedures and for example to request a 2nd staff member with gender of choice to sit in. To be honest it would be a good idea for that to be standard. Other than that... Surely the most important thing is having the most qualified people for the job checking you over? I guess I see it as, when you step into a clinical setting, they are doctors / nurses. Not males / females / transgendered or whatever.

Well speaking personally I don't mind which sex does smears and such. If I am totally honest I prefer male people as they tend to be gentler from my experience..so I am a bit odd that way. But I don't think the decision should be taken away from others who DO want/need to chose. So many people have been abused. Some people can't have males touching them on religious grounds..and so on.

And this still doesn't change the fact that this nurse argued with the patient about it rather than accepting that they are NOT a female person, as has been requested. Which is a douche move, however you look at it.

i had a woman slice open my testicles and then sew it back and 2 others in the room at the time as I recall and it never occurred to me that it should be a bloke doing it.



One of the nurses was Irish and I was thinking about lodging a complaint there mind you

:suspect:

Only three people? I got six! I can only assume they heard I was coming in and there was a mad rush for overtime? One of them was reassuringly patting my chest and kept "accidentally" stroking my nipple.

I have very confusing memories of that day :(

I still can't believe they do the snip without a general anesthetic tbh. Sounds horrific D:

Well i was knocked out.

Ps, they could have had anyone doing the op for all i cared...anyone apart from the ex wife that is.

Lucky you. I would have thought that was a universal thing, but seems not

It's not a picnic :joker:. But to be honest, the following 2 days are worse. The leaflet says you can return to work the next day but I have no idea what sort of masochist would do that to themself, I was in bed with Netflix and a bag of frozen peas for 3 days!

And still felt like I was being repeatedly kicked in the nads when walking around a week later.

And being totally honest there was mild discomfort for nearly 4 months :umm2:.

Yeah my dad reckons its a long recovery time. he was laid up in bed completely in agony for 5 days and said he still had moderate pain for a month or so too

If you go private it's not even a full on surgery these days... It's like a 10 minute procedure with a laser scalpel :joker:. NHS it's the rusty scissors, hahaha.

I actually watched them do the whole thing, which apparently is unusual, most people close their eyes or look away. I always watch these things!

And tbh, it was like 50% less traumatising than when I had my big toenail removed. That was ****ing disgusting to watch and so painful that I feel sick thinking about it.

Wish i wore the cup.one looked like an excited puffer fish

Gav had it done with local anesthetic, he said it didn't hurt but it was odd like he could feel things being pulled on the inside but it didn't hurt

Oh that sounds horrific, I would not watch that, I don't even look when I'm getting blood drawn :laugh:

A coworker of mine went JOGGING two days after getting his done and ended up back in surgery because he ruptured something and his whole ballsack turned purple. LOL

Anytime I've had to go to hospital for stuff I've never even considered asking for a specific sex/gender, they're already stretched enough so I just take whoever I get :laugh: Over here you have to pay for GP visits so can choose to go to whoever you want so I've always gone for a female Doctor

Hey TS..

Your toe nail..i used to get crippled with backpain for 5 or do hours if i got out the works van sometimes...my big toe nail on the opposite side was all dying and decaying so i sat and ripped it right out myself.

Never ever even felt a twinge in my back since...probably mentioned it before, but i found it interesting and must have a connection.


Ps, i videod it...wanna see me trotters?

Jogging:joker:...co worker:hee:...sounds more like he had a crafty wank.:nono:

Yeah, most of the procedure itself felt like... I would say... Having strings tied to something in your abdomen and then tugged around a bit. The part that hurt was the anaesthetic injections themselves, though I dunno how normal that is, because the first side didn't hurt but the second was baaad. Might have been a **** up because I also felt more during on that side and some sharp pain when they were stitching which you're definitely not meant to feel... I don't think the anaesthetic fully took on that side.

Well it was a longtime ago when Gav had it done but I think I remember him saying one side was worse aswell :think:

yes same with me. They inject something to freeze the baw bag and then slice away but there is no pain

i did ask for something for the pain

but could I keep the swelling


:hee:

Can you stop now, my balls have feelings too.

You were probably putting more weight on the good foot and less on the bad one which puts strain on your lower back. Never had it with my toe but I cracked a bone in my foot in my teens and ended up with a bad back from limping about for weeks.

The toe nail stories are worse :worry:

The toenail stories are making me feel quite ill

It just flat out is worse I think! They all looked totally unphased during the balls surgery but the doctor who did my toenail looked like she was going to be sick :joker:. She was sweating and went really pale.

It must feel horrible to do tbf. They sort of jam these little pliers right under the nail down to the base and then twist back and forward until it pops off... Takes quite a lot of effort too... She had to get a nurse to hold my foot down while she tug-of-warred it off.

It never made it painfull to walk..

Yes, debate. Not monologues.


I would imagine that after a couple of kids some women may insist a vasectomy be carried out without anaesthetic by the biggest, roughest pair of hands available.

ugh gross, it's actually a form of torture used too, pulling out peoples finger/toe nails :worry:

Did you watch as they removed your toenail? I had to have my thumbnail removed after an accident and the junior nurse in attendannce passed out.

Yeah, I've had both done and watched both times. It's really grim :joker:. I have to admit I started chuckling a bit the second time because the doctor looked so upset about it... The nurse that was there was asking HER if she was OK! [emoji23]

We don't know that she argued about it or that there was anything wrong with her attitude tbf, what she said could have simply been a response to her gender being questioned, she might have been asked directly and her response was what she believes her gender to be :shrug: (we also don't know that she believes everyone should agree with her... this is all assumptions, it's a small soundbite of what the nurse had said in the article and no actual comments from her to give her own pov or version). But considering the patient didn't want to raise a complaint about her I think it's unfair to assume she was being aggressive (the patient had no qualms about making a complaint against the hospital so I think it's fair to assume she would also have made a complaint about the nurse if she thought she'd been inappropriate).
The problem lies with whoever made the error in my view, the nurse shouldn't be demonised or shouldering the blame for any of this, she's just carrying out her job and trying to help people and was probably equally embarrassed and upset over the situation as the patient was.

I didn't assume they were aggressive? But they came back with bollocks about gender identity when the patient said they asked for a female. 'Gender identity' does not make one the sex you want to be.

The nurse did not make the original mistake, but the nurse did feel the need to come back with 'gender identity' crap when the patient said they had requested a female. Thats seriously crappy for a healthcare professional. Who ought to know that some people request same sex practitioners and should understand that.

*swap 'aggressive' for 'argumentative' then :laugh: that's what I was referring to.

All we really know is that she was questioned over her gender, and she replied with what she believes her gender to be. We know nothing else around what was said or discussed or that she was unprofessional in her dealings with the patient or argumentative. She may have handled the situation professionally for all we know but in that instance of being questioned over a personal attribute, she replied. If as an example a nurse is a born female but she looked like a man and was questioned about her gender by a patient and replied with 'I'm female'... would you consider that to be unprofessional or simply an answer to what is being asked? A strong indicator as to her professionalism or attitude would be if she was included within the patients complaint, but she wasn't. I just find this over focusing on the nurse because of 1 line in the article that assumptions are being drawn from when nothing about her attitude is even mentioned is a bit ott.

The nurse would actually be female though in that case? Quite different to a male person saying they are not male. I get that they want to be female, I do. But they are not and when the patient specified that they asked for a female person (and yes, the nurse was not at fault for whoever booked the appointment sending a male person...) it should have just been 'ok, sorry about that'. Not claiming to not be male. And male is not a 'gender' either :facepalm:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...nurse-11776953

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/89...ear-male-nurse

Another couple of links that go into a bit more detail too.

Ok I wasn't aware of that, I was just going by the article in the OP and I thought this was all assumptions, I didn't realise there was more information on how the nurse handled the situation so I'll concede on that. (I'd still like to think that she wouldn't have intended to cause any unnecessary distress to anyone and just found herself in an uncomfortable and difficult situation that she shouldn't have been put in in the first place, but yes that's just an assumption too :p )