..Ann is an interesting one for sure...I don’t feel her views on certain things are old fashioned as such, in it being an age thing...but more for her, her religious beliefs...I mean, she hasn’t shown any intolerance toward Shane J for instance for who he is and his sexuality...but when he was provoking her for a reaction as he was, she wasn’t comfortable with that...he wasn’t actually showing her respect because the whole thing was purposefully done to prod and he has been someone who has always so far shown great respect and understanding, rather than to actively seek a reaction...I find her interesting because of that blend of her time in parliament and the things she has opposed and been in favour of and how that fits in with her religious beliefs...I guess that many would think that politics and religion shouldn’t ‘mix’..that there is no place for religion and religious beliefs in politics...?...but then wouldn’t that be showing an intolerance and a discrimination against religious beliefs...so it all gets quite complicated...

...she wasn’t comfortable with Shane’s prodding and teasing but she’s been perfectly comfortable with him as a person so far as I can see...and even said, she would be proud of him as a grandson...there’s lots of things I guess that she hasn’t seemed comfortable with...like Ashley and Ginuwine and their more ‘public displays’...probaby another blend of her beliefs in terms of their single status and what she feels should be more private and the new that old..not before marriage thing...as I say she’s interesting because of her own life of very much being a working and independent lady...but then she’s a single as well and always has been...with marrieds and mothers etc... she tends to lean more toward supporting that ‘stay at home mum’...obviously this is all...(..her beliefs and views..)...going to cause a bit of controversy and confliction and those talking points, but I like her a lot as a person and in her character, regardless of anything else...


..one thing I’ve found quite interesting is how much empathy and understanding she’s shown with things like...her upset at the guys in physical pain with that task..and then with Daniel and her being in favour of keeping him over John because she felt his need for ‘validation’ with the public...that shows a real empathy...but then she’s right wing so how does that work because those are character traits that the left leaning are meant to be more associated with...:laugh:...she has a great blend to her character, I think...and is probably the most interesting housemate I’ve ever known...

..with sexual abuse within the Catholic religion...(sorry ive just read some of the thread...)...she’s not condoning that at all, I mean that just can’t be ‘excused’ by anyone for any reason or any belief system...she’s just separating the actions of some awful people..\..awful individuals who would abuse their power and position..from the religious beliefs of her faith and how she tries to practise it...

As Andrew is not gay, how can she be being homophobic to him? She has always been respectful to everyone in the house, but expects to be treated the same way in return. Andrew and Shane J were NOT respectful to her. Is anyone calling out Shane J and Andrew for their ageist behaviour? Is anyone calling out Shane J and Andrew for their persecution of Ann for her views and her religious beliefs? Nope, they are not.

and she would have said the same if it had been Elgin and Ashley

Sadly if you red flag everything because you have a shiny new red flag the flag will get diluted and fade

One must pick ones battles

Ann, homophobic..wtf...shes been on strictly and bb......facts say no.

Cause they make a lot of noise and stay up late...did you think it was incase they started bumming:joker::joker:

Exactly.

Again too,how does anyone on here KNOW for sure Andrew may not be gay or bisexual.

Inwardly who knows that but Andrew himself.
Ann knows for sure Shane J is,and she still said it.
I really hope people don't see 2 men who are in,forming or just exploring a relationship,as that being disgusting.

The Country is really heading back to a darker age if Ann's unnecessary comment is supported by anyone.

And you know that she meant anything other than "your public display of affection in our faces" how?

and also it was said in jest, unless you have proof that it was serious?


please asnwer bother questions below to support you case:

Totally agree and if I were Ann in there I wouldn't want their fake romance shoved in my face every five minutes and they are only doing it to get a rise out of her so they can go off and bitch in the garden. I am in agreement with Ann what people do behind closed doors is totally up to them but I don't want it shoved in my face all the time.

They did it to wind her up and for her and she gave them the reaction they wanted

Its like people are watching this waiting to be outraged

:bored:

Regarding the bed situation, she doesn't want them in the room as they stay up late, and the lights will stay on, again it was only suggested they go in the "early" bedroom to get a rise out of her, all these people demanding respect and treating an elderly woman like that, the solution to the lights staying on was sorted by putting the people who went to bed early in one room, there is no reason for that to change

She's the one on TV not me.
You know for sure too,it was in jest do you too.

I think not.

Knowing her deep rooted dubious views on lgbt rights all through her life and career,I doubt it was totally I'm jest.

That's what I think from what I've learned as to Ann.
What you think is your affair.
If you think I'm not right,there is equally no guarantee either that you are.

Ann has a record against lgbt rights moving forward,that's one solid fact however,mainly from the bigotry of her rigid Roman catholic religious views.

and she is entitled to hold her religious views without being called a bigot, because doing that is persecution in itself

Sadly, have to agree with those who see the homophobia sort of rearing it's ugly head here. Of course, even as an Ann supporter I know that her views are rooted in her Catholic background. You can't be Catholic and divorce those very specific values from your faith simply because they are inconvenient or controversial. If she stands for her faith, then that's where she stands on the issue(s) and I think kinda naive to try to give her a pass on that simply because of her other more virtuous (if not pious) qualities...

I don't know that Ann even sees the harm in what she has said. She may very well have been joking or referring to something more indifferent, but then there's the something to be said about there being a grain of truth in every joke or having a Freudian slip.

She has been quite open about her controversial beliefs about these issues, so I think rather than trying to craft a protective barrier around what she may or may not actually have meant (which I don't know that any of us really know), ask yourself if it is even possible she may not even care how it is interpreted... she doesn't seem to shy away from discourse/controversy on any subject, even if it offends others, so I think instead of trying to make out what she said, maybe consider she is not all that concerned about whether it sends a more negative tone about homosexuality...

I hope she is interviewed on it when she is out, because I'm curious how she deals with the cognitive dissonance that her beliefs no doubt create in this type of atmosphere (with Andrew/Courtney). Especially with her relationship with Amanda. But I think also really unfair to judge any one person entirely based on their opinions on a single issue... unless of course that goes against something you are rather (non-literally) religiously against.. but then you know, we are in a world where we are surrounded by conflicting belief systems... it's fine to pick and choose with strangers on the internet, but much more difficult out in real life to discriminate and screen barriers in a similar manner.. but I guess we live in a society now where that sort of discrimination really is actually the new normal, that we are all being "screened" for perceived slights or incompatible thought systems... Ann didn't grow up in that kind of world. She grew up in a society where we were encouraged to get on regardless in what was considered quite tolerant for those times, even while believing most others were terrible sinners. So other people's moral fixations on the particular words or verbiage she uses is probably all quite ambivalent and alien to her (in retrospect)

Anyway, just some mild rambling at no one in particular.

I thought she was joking.

Shane said what he said in a jokey way. He wasn't trying provoke Ann. This is why he was shocked at her response. And so was I. It was unnecessary.

Maybe she meant disgusting to those two, not all gays.

NO, it f'n isn't ,you label her that as it suits the agenda to get people to dislike her,I doubt very much you know much about this lady at all , have you actually listened about what she said about gay marriage ? or are you just enjoying bashing someone you really know nothing about.or is it just because she is a Tory?

My feeling is they were trying to get her to relax a little bit, see them as simple down-to-earth human beings, and less like zoo animals trying to fornicate all over the house. :laugh: I'm not so sure they are the characters suited to this quite difficult task of changing Ann's mind on homosexuality...

I don't think so. She said it when Shane mentioned the love between two men?

:worship::cheer:

I feel she meant those two.

I really cant do with people who refuse to see the bigger picture, there was NO way Ann said that in regards to them being gay,it was Shane saying she could WATCH their love grow,now you might find that entertaining, but some people don't,it was as simple as that,why do people make mountains out of molehills just to make their fave look good.

Shane was just referring to the love him and Andrew share. How close they are, I think. But Ann thinks it's wrong.

I think she's disgusted by the idea that two men can be in love.

:clap1:

The Ann hate is real.

Somehow Ann seems more accepting of Amanda, who is also gay. Maybe because she's a woman?

I disagree.

WRONG again,Ann has already said in the house that what people do in their own house is up to them,she just objects to it being flaunted in her face,lots of people don't like PDAs why should she?

I hate people snogging in my face too.

This is what she meant, otherwise she would have told them straight that she thinks it's fake.

It's ridiculous,people reading things into everything she says waiting for that slight thing to bash her with, maybe she is a bigger threat than we thought:wavey:

But they aren't snogging? They just cuddled?

Whatever word you're looking for, Homophobia is not the word.

A phobia means a fear, she doesn't fear gay people as she's not uncomfortable to be around them.

She's against gay people.

This^^^^^
She has also said the same to Ashley about her & Geniwine. It was said to get a response and it did. It is obvious anyone who doesnt like her will jump on it as Homophobia rather than her not wanting to see or hear them slurping under the duvet!

Daniel should win the Oscar. He's pulling the wool over most people's eyes.

But not me.

I can't believe the housemates don't see through him.

Yeah, I like Ann and think she is getting thrown to the wolves.