Isn't that exactly what has happened here? ... It's a witch hunt as there is no evidence or statement to suggest he did anything and yet as NM says here we are ruining the guys life as well as his charity.

I noted too after vickys heartfelt confession that she too has been a victim of some pretty disgusting serious abuse the canned response from you was ...it happens to men too!
Aside from the 'westminster stuff' the 'inappropriate touching' of knees and such it's not so serious if form an MP as a charity employee then... do we have a sliding scale of who is deemed capable of inappropriate behaviour, and the palaces of westminster don't have a HR department anyway?

Should this Knee touching be a reference to Damian Green and Kate Maltby please be aware he is as I stated earlier refusing to acknowledge what he did, and to be clear that is NOT why he lost his job that was for breaking the ministerial code for a totally unrelated issue.

Didn't they even release a movie recently at the cinema's of a older woman having relationships with young guys. If it was about an older man with younger girls people would call it predatory :facepalm: :bored: .

It's called film stars don't die in Liverpool , i've never heard of the actress the story is about but i read something that described her as a female woody allen as she apparently took the virginity of her step son :umm2:

I read a review online where they thought it was bad timing because of the whole harvey weinstein scandal .


You won't get men reporting sexual harassment from women , some men are even too embarrassed to report harassment from other men . I hate hypocrisy aswell .

:shocked: What on earth are you trying to say exactly???, i told Vicky twice that what she experienced is 100 % sexual assault! and i called it vulgar aswell :nono: . I never once downplayed her distress or terrible experience .

Abuse is abuse and harassment is harassment whether at the hands of a man or woman .

Haha I love how this thread has flipped... Oh boo hoo us poor men!!!! hahahaha

I'm just telling you how it looked to me, it looked and still looks like there is the suggestion that abuse is an equal 2 way street.

It isn't, female on male abuse exists, nobody has suggested it doesn't but I'm sorry there is no comparison. I just want to make that screamingly obvious.

Erm, if it was about an older guy and a young girl, the girl would be accused of being a gold digger and the guy would be 'lucky' :suspect:

I think we all know majority of sexual assault claims are from female victims , nobody is denying that :facepalm: . There's no witch hunt mentality for Brendan Cox the guy admitted he did wrong. Do you want us to applaud him or something?? .

If you want to know what a witch hunt is then look at the way Aled Jones was treated and that doesn't sound like he ACTUALLY did anything wrong . Still don't know what he was accused of , text messaging or something :bored: .

Hey Lolita Hey!

The man still get's called a pervert or a dirty old man , and the woman get's called Mrs Robinson or a cougar :sleep: .

That movie is messed up

Men don't get 'all the blame' but male people do do it much more often, and generally to a worse extent also. I have never, ever, seen anyone deny that some women are perverts too. But its always argued against, and women doing it is always brought up when male people assaulting is mentioned.

Even this thread, about a man being sexually inappropriate has turned into 'women are just as bad'.

Of course, did you ever doubt it wouldn't? :laugh:

I don't know much about this Aled Jones thing, looking it up now but the first few links are all about him issuing a 'grovelling apology' and admitting sexual harassment and saying he understands the victim/s was distressed by his behaviour. Looking more into it now, but again, it appears this was not nothing. Like in this Cox case.

Edit. LOL. A quote from one of the stories

'Incapable' of sexual harassment ffs. Noone is incapable. Do these people think its only flat out monsters and dark alley rapists that behave inappropriately or something? And he is hardly likely to be behaving inappropriately towards his mother in law anyway..so this 'defence' is silly :D

It's only been brought up because it's been mentioned that women in clubs are touchy feely just like the men , and i used it as an example because not many men would report it .

It's not taking away sexual assault done to females, plus females assault other females .

He did yes, he admitted his errors and committed to change as stated by Jess Phillips and he is still being pilloried! He should just deny everything like Mr Green shouldn't he despite the inquiries and the victim statements... the media leave you alone then :/

I don't know about Aled... Can't have been that serious I haven't heard a thing about it.

But i still don't understand what alleged "harassment" took place with Aled :conf: . The story sounded silly , and even if he's done nothing wrong he'd probably still apologise to be the bigger person .

This thread is about Brendan and people will still debate about it , so although he's admitted to it that doesn't stop people talking about it on here :idc:.

But then earlier about Cox

Which has me a little confused tbh. Either admitting it (and apologising) shows they are guilty, or it doesn't. Or does it depend on who is involved?

Getting a little consistency round here... you must be walking in the aiiiiiirrrrrrrrr!!!! :joker:

I didn't contradict myself if that's what you're insinuating :suspect: . I'm saying the incident with Aled Jones still makes no sense to me :conf:, how do we know he didn't say sorry while still being innocent??? .

Brendan Cox has admitted it , and more details have come out about him . Whereas with Aled it's more like a silly rumour .

They both admitted it.

Also i didn't know Aled jones "apologised" either , all i saw was an old article about it . I never saw anything else about him :conf::shrug: .

As I said, I know virtually nothing about the Aled thing (yet), but you cannot on one hand say them admitting it means they are guilty, then on the other hand say them admitting it means it was just a silly rumour, they were apologizing to be the bigger person and they did nothing wrong.

I don't know much either :conf: , but from what i gathered it didn't sound as serious as the Brendan Cox incident .

But what about when people do nothing wrong but just to make peace they say "if i've offended you in anyway i'm sorry" and blah blah , but that doesn't necessarily mean they have ?. I didn't believe Aled did anything but who knows.

I replied to a comment you made about a particular member, not 'the issue of the thread re Cox and his situation'. If you don't want your comments commented upon, don't post them.
fyi, I had already contributed when I said he is a dirty pig. Succinctly put, imo.

btw i agree that when you admit something or apologise you will be seen as guilty, it's like if you're on trial for something you may or may not of done in court and some people think by saying "guilty" (despite being innocent) is the best option to get a shorter sentence :facepalm: , i don't agree with this as i feel if you've done nothing wrong then you shouldn't have to "admit" .

But it's not always as black & white for some people , and some will take the blame for things they haven't done or they'll apologise for nothing :bored:.

The Cox and Aled cases are quite different.

With Cox, there was a police reported incident in the USA
There was also an investigation by the charity, and he resigned before it came to a conclusion. Also, he has admitted wrong doing.

Aled has never been subject of a police investigation, was removed from tv rather than resigning, and has never admitted anything

This is what I thought as well . Its obvious Brendan's case is a lot more serious .

Aled Jones was in the end it appears termed inappropriate behaviour.
He apologised and it appears nothing more has come to fruition as to even more perhaps serious incidents.
It was stated by the BBC that his apology has been accepted and he will be returning to both his radio show and Songs of Praise.

As for Brendon Cox,he has stood down I understand for inappropriate behaviour but also as yet one or more serious allegations.
That may or may not have substance but he strenuously denies them.

As yet however nothing charge worthy or likely to end up in court is clearly evident,at this moment in time anyway.

So it would seem at present,similar to Aled's situation unless more eventually comes of Brendan Cox's situation.

This trial by media culture is now beyond a joke. Organisations are forced to act or comment before investigations are complete.

In the Cox case, he obviously has done something that has been deemed inappropriate but I am sure a police investigation would have begun if there were serious charges to answer?

I am not excusing any inappropriate behaviour but the intervention by the media in these cases surely muddy the waters of any impartial investigation

I understand what you're saying , but they'll always be that media culture when it's a public figure or someone we see on tv . That's just how it is .

Yeah there's not much mention of a police investigation but maybe the case isn't closed yet .

Its also been revelaed today that the man who headed Save the Children while Cox was there left the charity after complaints of inappropriate behaviour towards female colleagues. Given that I'd say it's pretty obvious that a culture of harassment existed at the charity just as it's been shown to have been endemic in many other sectors recently

Trial by media,far worse now than likely ever before,is a threat,in my view,to real law and justice in this Country now.

What i find somewhat sinister in this is that after leaving one charity under a black cloud, what does Cox do when his wife dies? Associates himself with another couple of charities. Surely i'm not the only one that thinks it's just not right.

The guys a hypocritical ****ing creep...pawing and trying to get hus end away at charity jolies as his wife works endlesdly for the good of the country...then, then he has the audacity to play the doting, grieving hubby after her death...judging him by his scruples i would be having a close look at the accounts of this charity.

Why, the allegations were due to a personal issue nothing to do with the charities?

...hmmm, the trial by media is a tricky one I think, Annie...yeah it can be a very negative and unfair thing but it also can highlight and bring into focus, some very serious things that have been ‘covered up’, because of not wanting to attach any negatives to charity organisations, I presume...the thing is with ‘investigations being complete’ etc...it would seem that Save the Children did not report sexual misconduct allegations against Brendan Cox so there was no intention to even proceed with investigations, let alone complete...and that to me is the bigger worry and especially in view of Oxfam scrutiny atm and the highlighting the media have helped to make aware there...so it can be a good thing, a very much needed thing as well because people have supported something which appears to have ‘hidden’ some very awful things, that support may have been reluctant to have been given if transparency were there...there should always be transparency with things like this...Brendan personally is now being ‘tried by the media’, but I think for me that’s not the biggest focus, he will have to weather that out... he is already becoming answerable which may result in legal charges etc, so that will take care of itself, as it were..those individual cases...

..anyways, regardless of what Brendan is guilty of or not guilty of, I would still expect support for him which he seems to be getting from friends and family and Jo’s family as well because those are people who have seen the ‘positives’ of him as well within his role in his families..I would also expect some support from the left leaning as well, just because there won’t be much from the right leaning..:laugh:...that’s how it is with these things, we all know how the game works, we all play it...each and every one of us, which is why I so hate ‘hypocrisy’ being attached because we’re all hypocrites...because one size never fits all in anything really...

He was at a charity function..thats good enough.

Well I mentioned hypocrisy so will deal with that part.
When I was on the right or as I am now even on the left,I condemn no one or no politician,unless I know more of them and/ or have my own experience,for anything not proven but only alleged.

Once something illegal and serious is proven,that's a different matter,however I condemn no one for said serious accusations,right or left,no matter who they may be either.
I also never have done so either.

It just seems particularly bad when it's around charity events I think