If they are poorly paid they will welcome the extra money, for sure

It's not just extra free money though, is it? When US soldiers are killed in action, their families receive 100,000 USD, when teachers are killed in action, they are removed from school salary outgoings.

I would leave the profession rather than take on these extra duties. Trumps budget actually cuts money for school security.

The whole debate is absurd; the American people are strongly in favour of gun control and regulations, yet politicians being paid by the NRA are able to even prevent them having to debate it.

Arming teachers fails to attack the root cause of the problem. You can't just throw more guns into the mix and let everyone have an old weststyle shootout. Take the guns away from the people because they are unnecessary.

If the government wanted to kill every American citizen, there is not a thing they could do about it, even with all 370m guns in the country. They could just hide in their bunkers, and send drones/chemicals, so even the initial reason for allowing/encouraging them is outdated.

"The whole debate is absurd; the American people are strongly in favour of gun control and regulations, yet politicians being paid by the NRA are able to even prevent them having to debate it. "


You have not long ago had an election and elected a very republican candidate so what you say obviously isnt quite true is it.

I'm not sure how you can link those 2 things. Elections are about more than one thing, and a lot of democrats actually live in fear of the NRA too. Republicans are more pro gun statistically, but if I wish to use your logic I could just simply point out that if the US was so pro-gun, then how has a post civil rights act Democrat ever been elected?

They're also overlooking something totally fundamental here:

What they're essentially expecting, is for a teacher to aim and fire at someone who is likely to be a student that they have known for years. Now... WW2 stats show that a huge percentage of conscripted SOLDIERS (on both sides) never fired their rifles, or deliberately aimed high, so that they wouldn't actually have to kill anyone. It's one of the reasons that most countries have completely replaced conscription with paid / trained army - because it takes a lot of psychological prep (and a few psychological "tricks") to turn normal people into effective killers.

So basically... there's a very high chance that the vast majority of these "armed teachers" won't actually pull the trigger when it comes down to it, or at the very least, will hesitate for long enough to be shot first.

If you don't have kids going to school in America, it actually means nothing to anyone on this forum, we are just chewing the fat.

In fact you can be as outrageous as you want in this thread because it's all talk and no trousers.

Yeah well isn't that what happened with the on campus Police guy and he was a trained police officer (incidentally I think the backlash he's getting is disgusting)

Yes, me too.

I agree, ban guns and to hell with the gun lobbyists. No - one needs a gun to protect themselves if nobody else has a gun.

What happens when the Teacher panics in the chaos and accidentally shoot the wrong person? Or, if there's a misunderstanding and a teacher shoots someone they perceive to be a threat when they aren't? It happens enough with trained officers in America, is giving untrained teachers who aren't likely mentally prepared for that kind of situation a gun really the best idea?

I don't think teachers is a particularly good idea but armed guards/police are. This also isn't only about guns, its about America breeding generations of people that think their only course of action is to go shoot up a school. Why isn't there more focus on that side of things too

You wouldn’t do a shooting if u thought u would die before u got to kill anyone even these psychopaths know that

Other means of killing people exist?

But yeah let’s unarm the law obiding citizens because some people don’t like the look of guns so that criminals have an easier time whisk we sit here hide in a cupboard and wait for the police to arrive

Like ffs this forum is full of leftist ideal world escapist idiots that are trying to propose ideas that only work in the ideal world they created I can’t deal with this anymore

Trust me! You are not alone.

Well, if discussing news and world events/politics was predicated on what actually involves us, SD would be a very empty place.

You'd be hard pressed to find another weapon that can cause massacres on the scale of guns.

A science-based liberal country (leftist ideal world escapistan), based on the ideas and writings of people like Thomas Paine and Voltaire has never actually existed, so we have no way to know how it would pan out.

I think it's fairly clear that the world is in a bit of a mess right now, so we can keep moving further and further to the right, or we can try to inject some common sense and rationality into the discussion.

I do think the most illuminating aspect of this thread is the fact that we have many people explaining why it's a bat**** crazy idea, and then we have the other side of the discussion not really offering any type of counter other than give them more guns and money, with a few ridiculous one sentence idioms thrown in for good measure.

People who view the world differently to you are "idiots"? Well aren't you a ray of sunshine.

"Don't like the look of guns" yeah, that's the one. Nothing to do with the absolutely disgusting loss of life that could've easily been avoided in another situation.

How many USA school kids get murdered per year with guns compared to the UK and other European countries? The USA should have the same gun laws as we do. How many law abiding citizens in the UK do you know that owns a gun?

I hope people realise Trump even expects school kids to be armed , that's what he means when he says "kids should protect themselves" . And he thinks if teachers have concealed guns then everything will be ok :bored: he's a crazy lunatic!! .

It's so easy to scape goat this police campus guy as well, poor guy has resigned . He was 1 person and I bet if he intervened people would still slag him down or he'd lose his life .

He's a nice deflection for them though blame him instead of looking at the gun laws

The whole thing is like some black mirror episode... it's just so bizarre I'm just waiting everyday for the next crazy thing to happen :/

Il thrown in a bomb.

Yeah a common thing to be carried around and sold to the general public with laws giving everyone the right to own one.

Good one. :thumbs:

Im sure the gun carrying teacher will have been well vetted, and trained.

Thats life.:sad:

Actually the MAJORITY voted for Hilary :idc:

Just like the all the other guns they hand out in America eh? :joker::joker:

Yeeeah....

BREAKING: CNN Reports FOUR Broward County Deputies Waited Outside School As Children Were Massacred
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27523...es-ben-shapiro

Quoted @ CNN

I posted another thread, there's some documentation going around that are obviously only rumors at this point, but apparently some of the media are looking into it. Supposedly Broward County Sheriff's Office had a policy to not arrest students (they had a specific quota), so that the school district got federal grant money for improving their stats.

It's apparently so rampant now that school police are not only in on the scheme, it's an open secret with criminals and gangs that they can use high school students to commit their worst stuff at certain times of the month... because they know it is almost guaranteed they won't arrest them.

Whatever their policy is, something isn't adding up about their response to all this.

Take a chill pill and stop calling forum members idiots.
This is a discussion, not a council of war to save the world. Trump is not waiting to action our ideas.

...if teachers were to be armed, they wouldn’t be just armed to protect...they would be armed to attack also...equally as much as a student would...a teacher could just as easily use a weapon against students or a colleague/parent etc..it’s just the dumbest of thought processes to add more weapons to an overused weapon system, that isn’t a ‘fix’ at all...and from the recent stories of there being more armed sheriffs outside who didn’t ‘act’...?...they were armed so it isn’t about the arming of and carrying of guns being the issue...it makes me wonder if the gun freedom in America is such now, that even trained officers are ‘reluctant’...that it’s all got to a situation where it’s deterring them from doing their jobs out of fear...or in some cases, the opposite...of over reactions from some, when firing an arm can be done to readily before assessments seem to have been made and where life could have possibly been preserved...so extremes could be starting to unfold and be created etc through a system/..a way of life which is just quite crazy...gun crazy...

Nearly every teacher I've talked to thinks the idea of having armed teachers in the classroom is insanely absurd and would cause them to quit the profession :)

The other disadvantage to arming teachers is that then provides a ready supply of weapons within the school and that is sure to be abused by students, so it could easily put students at even greater risk. It would have to be armed guards or police.

...it would be the same in any profession, wouldn’t it Macie...yeah, I’ll give you the waiter../..waitressing job, just carry this gun under the tray at all times in case of crazy customers who might open fire on you at any moment...yes ok, that sounds all very reasonable to me, I feel quite safe and assured now, how very thoughtful...well don’t thank me, thank Mr Trump...

..there were armed people present outside who didn’t act..so I don’t think ‘arming’ is the solution, whatever official role that person has...

..guns have bred guns, have bred guns, have bred guns, have bred guns..and now the guns are killing the children...:sad:...America learn and remove the guns.../...tighten control, don’t breed more guns...

[emoji23] it actually is

That's not at all surprising, such a ridiculous idea