Glushkov was connected to Berezovsky, who died in mysterious circumstances.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-verdict-death

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Good decision, Donald.
You can get a golden shower here too, y'know.

Yes but the entire country is the same, apparently. Increasing tensions with Russia and every tabloid front page is plastered with headlines about Corbyn... The leader of the UK opposition. Its beyond bizarre but it quite aptly sums up how petty, insular and self-important the UK is becoming.

Better to delude ourselves with hating Corbyn then to focus on the fact we're sliding right into a potential world War 3 situation, I guess. :shrug:

This is heating up and it is worrying.
I don’t know if i have confidence in either Labour or the Tories on this.
Corbyn did try and score points the other day by going on about diplomat cuts after it’d just happened which was not the time and tbh i don’t think he’s strong enough to run a bath nevermind a country and deal with people such as Putin.
However i do wonder if May could use abit of his caution.
We definitely do need a leader who has the balls to stand up and be strong in times like these and to give us confidence but we don’t want to rush headlong into possibly irreversible decisions either.
With how delicate this situation is i’m thinking she was maybe abit hasty.When we’re hearing things like it was “more than likely” the Russian state.Is that good enough really?Should’nt we be sure before expelling 23 diplomats and taking other harsh measures against a military superpower?
She gave Russia 24 hours to give an explanation before she acted.She knew she wouldn’t get one because Russia doesn’t respond to ultimatums.
What if this wasn’t a government sanctioned hit?What if this Novichok was leaked to somebody by someone lower down than Putin who wanted to stir up a diplomatic crisis before his election?
It may not be likely but possible.Even Theresa May said they could have “lost control” of it.
Should we as a country be acting so strongly on “more than likelies”?
Maybe it would’ve been wise to let the investigation go on abit longer for more certainty.
Gavin Williamson’s speech was nothing more than embarrassing.He didn’t sound tough,diplomatic or intelligent.I mean “shut up and go away”.Come on.

That's May all over though NM... And frankly, most of our current politicians - immediately do what you think will make you most popular with the voting public, no matter what that is, and then worry about the specifics and potential repercussions later. Because UK politics (and media) has descended entirely into petty in fighting and childish squabbling.

Yep it’s a joke but an unfunny one when **** gets this serious.
I actually heard someone on a politics show the other day saying how this might be good for May’s image.Like that’s the main thing at stake here :facepalm:

Good points, especially the one in bold.

I see your point but the trouble is that this fits into a long pattern of Russian behaviour which has been going on for years. I think everyone agrees now that they were behind Litvinienko but there's also been numerous suspicious deaths that they were probably responsible for both in this country and abroad. But every time it happens they just react with sarcasm and sneer at any suggestion they were involved. A lot of their reaction is pure trolling. It's not just assassinations either, look at stuff like the passenger plane that was shot down over Ukraine where everything pointed to it having been shot by the Russian backed rebels on the ground but Russia kept on denying everything and put forward a load of dodgy evidence that a Ukrainian jet had shot it down instead. And they've been caught trying to pass off video game footage as 'evidence' in the past as well

Basically they just can't be trusted to take any incident like this seriously so it's pointless to indulge any of their excuses

Oh i know.They have a track record for this stuff.But if there’s any possibility that it wasn’t the Russian government this time and someone trying to create a diplomatic crisis(And even the PM’s speech didn’t say they know 100%) then shouldn’t we maybe look into it a little deeper before jumping the gun.Atleast wait for the investigation to get abit further.

I feel better after reading all these comments. its not only me that has to look over shoulder with putin.

:clap1: As others have said already - you have 'Hit The Nail Squarely On The Head'.

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Military grade nerve agents are not something that can be cobbled together from items found down the local supermarket. There have been incredibly tight controls on these things for decades. They are manufactured in completely isolated laboratories. So, given this particular weapons signature, it could only have come from Russia. So the PM was correct. The Russian state were ultimately responsible for its security. If it was deployed by them, they are to blame, if they let someone else deploy it, they are to blame. If it was stolen from their facility, they are to blame for allowing it to be stolen and need to be forthcoming about who stole it and in what quantity. As the Russian state did not respond with any reasonable explanation, the only conclusion that can be drawn was that it was a state sponsored attack.

As to things escalating out of control. We can't have any events like this repeating. What happens if the next time it is deployed, its in a cinema, the underground, an enclosed shopping center?

The diplomats that are being kicked out are those without specific responsibility, which means they are spies who either carried out the attempted murder of the father and daughter or coordinated it. It seems perfectly reasonable to eject anyone who is not here performing a specific diplomatic role, so on that basis, the PM is perfectly justified in her actions.

Good points. Whichever way you look at it the Russian government have accountability. Besides they have form - they can’t cry wolf now. But fans of Corbyn are so desperate to justify his inappropriate comments they will apparently believe anything.

Interesting to listen to an intelligent debate from a man who's got no political leaning.

Thanks for that Kizzy.

she should go further and confiscate russian oligarch property in london

Corbyn has been saying that for a long time.

James O'Brien asks a very pertinent question:

"Would you be prepared to send your sons to war over this?

He has been full of bizarre ideas for a long time. Tell us something we don’t know!

And daughters - they are equal in the forces now are they not! :shrug:

So you think confiscating Russian oligarch property in London is a bizarre idea? I mean Mays spoken about it but only because she was under pressure from her inner government and the Labour Party.

All this gaslighting at Corbyn is getting boring.

Someone needs to remain and hold up the home front.

Who has said we are going to war? The response has been moderate if anything.

But we are still associating women with the ‘Home ‘ are we. :shrug:

Women have equal status in the forces and otherwise so the women won’t just be kept safe at home. Neither would women in the forces want that as they are as courageous as their male counterparts. Or don’t you agree?

Surely thats emotional blackmail though?

You could just as easily ask do you want to risk your children being affected by another hit on the streets of the UK by not responding?

No one wants armed conflict, no one has suggested it yet as I understand but we have a military to be prepared to protect citizens.

If using military grade nerve agents on our soil on a busy street is not a reason to lock down and protect citizens then what is? (Disclaimer obviously if it can be proven to have been a government ordered hit)

As are your constant excuses for him!

I don’t think anyone has the right to confiscate private property from anyone other than if it was stolen or gained as the result of criminal activity.

You can’t just steal from people because they are rich. If they choose to leave their properties empty that is their business as it is their property. Or is the PC brigade going to dictate exactly what people can do with their property now to keep it.

It wasn't a speech from Gavin Williams, it was his and others thoughts on what's just happened. Why was it embarrassing? because he understood Corbyn (a man he can't stand) wanted to know why plan B had been scrapped? You may not see him as intelligent but you're wrong, he's a brilliant critical thinker and he's not afraid to put that critical thinking out to an audience. That debate was a lot more intelligent than most debates we ever see on here. I suggest it was boring and embarrassing because you don't agree with him.

As for nerve agents (Novichok) falling into someone else's hands. Its entirely possible. We know that US and other Nato intelligence services visited Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union and that they visited the factory in Uzbekistan where this nerve agent was made. It could of fallen into a number of hands and not only the Russians.

So now you are trying to blame the West!!! You are incredible. You appear to have a distinct dislike of the West - it is ever present in just about everything you say on the subject.

Why emotional blackmail? It could become a reality. If we ever do go to war with Russia we will need a lot more than are disbanded armed services.
Why is it emotional blackmail when May has just walked us back into the bowels of a Cold War? This isn't some random country in the Middle East, its Russia, a country that's could quickly wipe us out.

Why wasn't plan B implemented? France, Italy and the Labour government are asking that same question.

I'm not saying something didn't need doing... clearly it did, but we've done this on a strong hunch and nothing more.

Very True
so far its tit for tat

https://news.sky.com/story/british-a...istry-11293252
23 British diplomats now expelled.

Sorry, I'm not even going to get into this topic with someone like you because from what you just said, you clearly don't have any understanding about the problems with laundered Russian money on our shores.

So you think the women in WW2 sat at home waiting for their husbands?!?!
The reason it became acceptable for women to go out and work after WW2 is because during WW2 they were expected to be part of the war effort. The built guns, made bullets, nursed the sick and dying and a whole lot more and for the first time in history, women got a taste for work and refused to go back to being the 'woman at home'.

Of course women are in the army and would partake and of course women would enlist but under the threat of war on our soil, its the men would be enlisted for front line service.

I know people will say we will all just be evaporated but that wasn't true in the Middle East. There are plenty more wars to be had around the world before we eventually blow ourselves up.

You patronising yet again - I forgot you know everything about everything.

Even when criminal activity is suspected - you still need proof positive before you start stealing the property of others.

That will eventually change like everything else. There is no reason that women of a certain age who do not have children, or LGBTs come to that, can’t be enlisted in times of war. Some may not like the idea of that but that is part and parcel of equality. No pick and mix when it suits.

I am fully aware of what women did and didn’t do in WW2 thank you - mainly what they were allowed to do. Times have changed and many women would expect to be much more involved. Anything else would be sexism.

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Nobody said otherwise. This was spoken about about more depth on a recent topic.

So on that note, should we be investigating every avenue of who poisoned those Russians? You know... plan B

Both the US and French changed their tune pretty fast from their initial reactions to the suggestion it was Russia, I did wonder if she'd mentioned Article 5 on the phone.

Well if you are quite happy to appear gullible and quite content to let the man take the p***. We all know it was hiim - he has form - no use crying wolf now.

And if in the by some tiny, minute chance he isn’t he is still accountable for letting people get their hands on it in the first place. But if you want to believe it go ahead.