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Cherie 13-01-2019 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 10405957)
That is a ridiculous comparison. You're clearly running out of ideas.

Transgender people are just the same as everyone else, the literal only difference it makes to anyone apart from them personally is words. They might prefer to be called by a chosen name rather than the one picked for them and they might prefer to be referred to as "she/her" rather than "he/him". Other than that there is zero affect on anyone apart from that person trying to get on with their life and be comfortable.

So how are you going to accommodate muslim women in this bright new dawn of yours?

Marsh. 13-01-2019 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10405958)
Yes I’m ignorant lets finish any discussion right there

Oh please no.

I want you to bring up a completely irrelevant comparison again to try and back up your point. :(

Cherie 13-01-2019 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10405965)
Oh please no.

I want you to bring up a completely irrelevant comparison again to try and back up your point. :(

And I want you to discount a whole community because you couldn’t join the dots :hee:

Marsh. 13-01-2019 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10405967)
And I want you to discount a whole community because you couldn’t join the dots :hee:

Who did I discount?

What do you think happens with Muslim patients at the moment?

You're the one with a confused idea of how a transgender person in a hospital is going to affect you.

Literally as archaic as blokes thinking gay men automatically want to sexually assault them.

Jessica. 13-01-2019 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10405962)
So how are you going to accommodate muslim women in this bright new dawn of yours?

What would they need accommodation for?

Alf 13-01-2019 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10405953)
Are trans people in such numbers that they require their own ward?

We wouldn't want more wasted space when there's a fight for beds as it is.

Once we leave the EU, we'll have an extra few Bob to spend instead of paying for the 4 course dinners of Juncker and his mob. I'm sure we can manage a small room and a few beds.

SherzyK 13-01-2019 03:00 PM

Wtf how did this become a conversation about Muslim women!? Literally zero comparison to the topic.

Jessica. 13-01-2019 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SherzyK (Post 10405975)
Wtf how did this become a conversation about Muslim women!? Literally zero comparison to the topic.

:joker: I know, I'm baffled.

Marsh. 13-01-2019 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SherzyK (Post 10405975)
Wtf how did this become a conversation about Muslim women!? Literally zero comparison to the topic.

Muslim cats are people too. :oh:

SherzyK 13-01-2019 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10405979)
Muslim cats are people too. :oh:

:joker: :joker:

Honestly the lengths that people would reach to try and validate a point is disgusting. If you have nothing else to argue then please don’t start throwing random comments to prove a point. You can slit my throat for saying this in a debates thread, but just accept defeat if you’re proven wrong.

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Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 10405976)
:joker: I know, I'm baffled.

Its literally a joke at this point. These serious debates aren’t even serious

Jessica. 13-01-2019 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SherzyK (Post 10406008)
:joker: :joker:



Honestly the lengths that people would reach to try and validate a point is disgusting. If you have nothing else to argue then please don’t start throwing random comments to prove a point. You can slit my throat for saying this in a debates thread, but just accept defeat if you’re proven wrong.







Its literally a joke at this point. These serious debates aren’t even serious

Well, they've on gone quiet but I assume they are just trying to think of another way to twist the situation rather than accepting they're wrong. :joker:

Marsh. 13-01-2019 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10405973)
Once we leave the EU, we'll have an extra few Bob to spend instead of paying for the 4 course dinners of Juncker and his mob. I'm sure we can manage a small room and a few beds.

Theresa May might move into more expensive accomodation with the extra cash?

Northern Monkey 13-01-2019 04:32 PM

The way to clear this up is simple....



Instead of having signs that say “Men” and “Women” just have a picture of a penis and balls on one and a vagina on the other.That way all you have to do is look in your pants and see which one best matches you.Then everybody knows where to go.

Marsh. 13-01-2019 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 10406103)
The way to clear this up is simple....



Instead of having signs that say “Men” and “Women” just have a picture of a penis and balls on one and a vagina on the other.That way all you have to do is look in your pants and see which one best matches you.Then everybody knows where to go.

The discussion is about transgender patients who haven't had reassignment surgery. :)

Cherie 13-01-2019 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SherzyK (Post 10405975)
Wtf how did this become a conversation about Muslim women!? Literally zero comparison to the topic.

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Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 10405976)
:joker: I know, I'm baffled.

Wow does it need spelling out for you guys or are you really that ill informed :worry: maybe you don’t know any muslim women so I suggest reading up

I find it very worrying that people are quite happy to give up their rights in this way, it doesnt really matter whether YOU mind if you share a hospital ward, I particularly don’t care but I know plenty that would

Northern Monkey 13-01-2019 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10406158)
The discussion is about transgender patients who haven't had reassignment surgery. :)

Well i agree with the first reply in the thread by Bots.

Medical treatment has to be determined by biological sex not gender.

You wouldn’t put a male with for example prostate issues on a female ward as it wouldn’t cater to their needs as well.

Males and females have different requirements

People are split up by sex for a few reasons.

There are certain areas in life where reality has to be recognised over feelings.

Cherie 13-01-2019 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 10406021)
Well, they've on gone quiet but I assume they are just trying to think of another way to twist the situation rather than accepting they're wrong. :joker:

Who are they? there is only one of me :smug:

Cherie 13-01-2019 05:20 PM

:hehe:
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Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 10405970)
What would they need accommodation for?

Oh dear

Marsh. 13-01-2019 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10406223)
Wow does it need spelling out for you guys or are you really that ill informed :worry: maybe you don’t know any muslim women so I suggest reading up

I find it very worrying that people are quite happy to give up their rights in this way, it doesnt really matter whether YOU mind if you share a hospital ward, I particulrly don’t care but I know plenty that would

Yes and the main concern for caring about it seems to be the potential for some kind of sexual abuse/harassment.

.... in a place men have free access to.

Cherie 13-01-2019 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SherzyK (Post 10406008)
:joker: :joker:

Honestly the lengths that people would reach to try and validate a point is disgusting. If you have nothing else to argue then please don’t start throwing random comments to prove a point. You can slit my throat for saying this in a debates thread, but just accept defeat if you’re proven wrong.



Its literally a joke at this point. These serious debates aren’t even serious

Proven wrong about what? Having an opinion that is not the same as yours, not willing to have another womans right supersede mine...hows that tea for you?

Marsh. 13-01-2019 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 10406230)
Well i agree with the first reply in the thread by Bots.

Medical treatment has to be determined by biological sex not gender.

You wouldn’t put a male with for example prostate issues on a female ward as it wouldn’t cater to their needs as well.

Males and females have different requirements

People are split up by sex for a few reasons.

There are certain areas in life where reality has to be recognised over feelings.

Separation on gender not sex.

And, yes, I agree too that patients shouldn't be mixed and matched. But grouped dependant on their needs.

Some of those needs will lead to female only wards such as labour wards. Some won't.

Cherie 13-01-2019 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10406245)
Yes and the main concern for caring about it seems to be the potential for some kind of sexual abuse/harassment.

.... in a place men have free access to.

That wasn’t my main concern

Marsh. 13-01-2019 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10406255)
That wasn’t my main concern

So what is your main concern?

Cherie 13-01-2019 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10406261)
So what is your main concern?

Read the thread I am not repeating myself

Marsh. 13-01-2019 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10406265)
Read the thread I am not repeating myself

You wouldn't be.

You've stated that you're against it, and apart from a reference to Muslims and other cultures who would be against it, haven't explained why.

Cherie 13-01-2019 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10406278)
You wouldn't be.

You've stated that you're against it, and apart from a reference to Muslims and other cultures who would be against it, haven't explained why.

Yes I have read the thread

SherzyK 13-01-2019 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10406253)
Proven wrong about what? Having an opinion that is not the same as yours, not willing to have another womans right supersede mine...hows that tea for you?

You’re bringing up topics that have nothing to do with the debate at hand. You have every right to feel like that but argue something that’s relevant to what you’re talking about. And actually, I know plenty of Muslim people so don’t tell me who I know and don’t know. Ok?

Cherie 13-01-2019 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10405938)
Those kinds of people would have all kinds of issues with the set up of a Western hospital regardless of any possible gender divide.

Does it require an entire restructure of our hospitals? Not really.

Those kinds of people as you refer to them make up 70 per cent if the area that I live in :umm2: Our hospitals are set up as are male and female in the main with the occasional mixed ward so no restructuring required

Cherie 13-01-2019 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SherzyK (Post 10406298)
You’re bringing up topics that have nothing to do with the debate at hand. You have every right to feel like that but argue something that’s relevant to what you’re talking about. And actually, I know plenty of Muslim people so don’t tell me who I know and don’t know. Ok?

Well you appeared not to know any, how was I supposed to know..ok?

Marsh. 13-01-2019 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10406291)
Yes I have read the thread

You haven't. You've made some wild claims about cats, Muslims and abuse.

SherzyK 13-01-2019 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10406325)
Well you appeared not to know any, how was I supposed to know..ok?

For the record, I have friends that are Muslims and the way you speak is really disgusting.

Cherie 13-01-2019 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10406339)
You haven't. You've made some wild claims about cats, Muslims and abuse.

If you are too lazy to read the thread I cant help you

Cherie 13-01-2019 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SherzyK (Post 10406345)
For the record, I have friends that are Muslims and the way you speak is really disgusting.

What have I said that is disgusting....please point it out.....it was Marsh that said ‘those kind of people’ which I found disgusting but you seem to have no issue with?

SherzyK 13-01-2019 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10406352)
What have I said that is disgusting....please point it out.....it was Marsh that said ‘those kind of people’ which I found disgusting but you seem to have no issue with?

You clearly instigated the argument about Muslims. Nothing would have been said had you not have brought it up. I’m not saying more on this, please educate yourself before making such remarks

Marsh. 13-01-2019 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10406346)
If you are too lazy to read the thread I cant help you

It's not my fault you can't make a point.

Cherie 13-01-2019 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SherzyK (Post 10406358)
You clearly instigated the argument about Muslims. Nothing would have been said had you not have brought it up. I’m not saying more on this, please educate yourself before making such remarks

I was asking how muslim women could be accommodated in a mixed ward as it would be against their culture, if you can’t follow the thread thats not my issue

Cherie 13-01-2019 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10406366)
It's not my fault you can't make a point.

My point seems to be irking plenty of you on this thread even if I can’t make one apparently

Marsh. 13-01-2019 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10406352)
What have I said that is disgusting....please point it out.....it was Marsh that said ‘those kind of people’ which I found disgusting but you seem to have no issue with?

Erm... :umm2:

I responded to an unspecific comment "...what about the one where women cover their hair.." so "those kinds of people" refers to "people would have an issue with aspects of Western culture". Don't dare try to twist it into some kind of Islamic slur 2 pages later.

Muslims aren't the only people in the world who wear head scarves.

Marsh. 13-01-2019 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10406380)
My point seems to be irking plenty of you on this thread even if I can’t make one apparently

Your random comparisons to cats and Muslims has confused me. What you personally have against mix gender wards we've yet to establish.

Jessica. 13-01-2019 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10406242)
:hehe:

Oh dear

I'm well educated on Islam and I have Muslim and ex-Muslim friends. What is the problem with a Muslim woman sharing a ward with other people? Do trans people have x-ray vision now so that they can invade the curtains around someones bed and see them dressing or something?


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