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joeysteele 20-02-2019 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10451165)
The current political system elects individuals to parliament, not political parties. On that basis, there is no requirement to call a by election. Morally, it is questionable to continue but not legally. I find it quite amusing because they are basically using morality as their basis for leaving the party, but that doesn't extend to their moral obligations on which they were elected in the first place.

If that's so why have Parties at all.
I agree legally they don't need to fight a by election.
I think however, anyone elected as a Party MP, who then leaves that Party.
The Party itself should be able to call a by election.
That's a change I'd like to see and fight for.

We elect Conservative or Labour governments.
Not Independents.

If they want to be independent why fight an election under a Party manifesto.

They asked the voters to elect them as Labour MPs.
Which the voters did.

If they no longer wish to remain the Party or Government MP.
Then they should first seek the support of the people who elected them.

Of course we elect Parties.
Imagine electing a government.
Who then has many of it's MPs deciding not to support that government anymore and leaving the Party.
That Party government would be in chaos.

They are screaming for a new EU vote.
Hold one themselves in by elections.

If. I stress if, then got elected again as independents, that could strengthen their argument for a new EU vote.

They won't, because they're cowards and know they'd lose the by elections probably.

arista 20-02-2019 09:28 AM

Yes they will all get washed away
at the next General Election

Livia 20-02-2019 09:35 AM

It's a shame that long-standing members of the Labour party no longer recognise their party. It would be nice if lots of centrist MPs left their respective parties and formed a new one. Pie in the sky I know, but The Tories have bungled the whole Brexit thing, and we've got an old Soviet nostalgist running Labour. We need another choice.

reece(: 20-02-2019 09:39 AM

I wanna know how they differ from the Lib Dems...?

bots 20-02-2019 09:54 AM

I think the timing of this is no coincidence. While I think there are genuine issues when those with extreme views get control of a party, this has been ongoing with Labour for a while. I believe this is timed to try and get traction for an anti brexit result, so I am skeptical to say the least about their intentions.

joeysteele 20-02-2019 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reece(: (Post 10451209)
I wanna know how they differ from the Lib Dems...?

In reality they don't.
However the Lib Dem label is still toxic too.

It's surprising how quiet Lib Dems have been so far.
I know they struggle to get on the media but really.

Maybe it is time for a new alignment.
However I still think and would campaign for, now full PR in elections.
Which would much more likely bring that about.

Removing the extremes of both sides of the political divide hopefully.

Nicky91 20-02-2019 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 10451224)
In reality they don't.
However the Lib Dem label is still toxic too.

It's surprising how quiet Lib Dems have been so far.
I know they struggle to get on the media but really.

Maybe it is time for a new alignment.
However I still think and would campaign for, now full PR in elections.
Which would much more likely bring that about.

Removing the extremes of both sides of the political divide hopefully.

same as the democrats party here in my country, the arrogance from them and how they were literally almost crying last provincial elections here when they lost many voters :hehe:

(PVDA) dem was a biggest party here in the past, but now it's one of the weaker parties out of the longest running ones

arista 20-02-2019 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reece(: (Post 10451209)
I wanna know how they differ from the Lib Dems...?


Yes their Words on their site are
taken from Labour and Lib Dem Manifesto's

arista 20-02-2019 10:13 AM

3 Conservative have now Jumped

arista 20-02-2019 10:14 AM

Heidi Allen MP
Anna Soubry MP
Dr. Sarah Wollaston MP



3 EX Conservatives

LT New Total
11


https://e3.365dm.com/19/02/768x432/a...20190220111934
Anna Soubry (L), Heidi Allen and Sarah Wollaston (R) have quit the Conservative Party

https://news.sky.com/story/live-spec...group-11642586

Northern Monkey 20-02-2019 10:15 AM

Well that’s ruined it.The horrific Soubry has joined.Bye

MTVN 20-02-2019 10:18 AM

Tbh Heidi Allen and Wollaston have opposed the government on most things over the last few years anyway. For Soubry it's all about Brexit obviously

The group now have as many MPs as the Lib Dems

Wizard. 20-02-2019 10:20 AM

We love them fuqing sh*t up!

reece(: 20-02-2019 10:20 AM

Love Soubry and Wollaston :love:

arista 20-02-2019 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 10451236)
Tbh Heidi Allen and Wollaston have opposed the government on most things over the last few years anyway. For Soubry it's all about Brexit obviously

The group now have as many MPs as the Lib Dems


Yes they are all Remoaners
and Corbyn haters.

But the LibDems are a legit party


This bunch can not afford to be a Political Party
yet.

arista 20-02-2019 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reece(: (Post 10451238)
Love Soubry and Wollaston :love:


Next Election
both gone

arista 20-02-2019 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riley. (Post 10451237)
We love them fuqing sh*t up!


But these women ex conservatives
have been with ex labours Chukka's group
for over a year.


Only 3 so far

But Labour has lost 8

reece(: 20-02-2019 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10451245)
But these women ex conservatives
have been with ex labours Chukka's group
for over a year.


Only 3 so far

But Labour has lost 8

Con MP on Politics Live said more conservatives (including ministers) have considered this move

arista 20-02-2019 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reece(: (Post 10451249)
Con MP on Politics Live said more conservatives (including ministers) have considered this move



Yes loads say they might.


But on Politics Live BBC2HD
Phillip Lee , Conservatives, demands a 2nd vote
Hates Brexit but is staying put.


He may want to stay after the next General Election

arista 20-02-2019 10:44 AM

https://e3.365dm.com/19/02/768x432/s...20190220113556


https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...d-help-corbyn/

arista 20-02-2019 10:53 AM

The 3 Ex Conservatives MP's are seated in Parliament now
on the other side up by the DUP
up top
with the 8 Ex Labour MP's




Its Anti Brexit and Anti Corbyn Group of MP's

Underscore 20-02-2019 11:04 AM

Well done. amazing women!


arista 20-02-2019 11:08 AM

"amazing women!"


No her zone Voted Leave
She Demands to Remain
No Democracy with her.

Next General Election she will go.

Livia 20-02-2019 11:22 AM

Never thought I'd hear anyone refer to Anna Soubry as an "amazing woman".

joeysteele 20-02-2019 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10451305)
Never thought I'd hear anyone refer to Anna Soubry as an "amazing woman".

Nor me.

arista 20-02-2019 12:25 PM

Another New Conference
with the 3 new additions talking


3 Conservatives


Not the new Labour addition on the panel.

To introduce their storys.

SkyNewsHD

BBCnewsHD has joined BBC World news
for this.

arista 20-02-2019 12:26 PM

Live now all media.


Heidi talking first
a New MP only started in 2015


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz2i9-YWwAAQhpH.jpg

reece(: 20-02-2019 12:54 PM


user104658 20-02-2019 12:58 PM

Labservatives? Labourvatives? Conbour? ... Conservabour? :think:

user104658 20-02-2019 12:59 PM

Conslabvitarians. :thumbs: nailed it.

arista 20-02-2019 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10451426)
Conslabvitarians. :thumbs: nailed it.


Its the Anti Brexit Group



Lacking big funding for a new party, at this time

Vicky. 20-02-2019 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10451204)
It's a shame that long-standing members of the Labour party no longer recognise their party. It would be nice if lots of centrist MPs left their respective parties and formed a new one. Pie in the sky I know, but The Tories have bungled the whole Brexit thing, and we've got an old Soviet nostalgist running Labour. We need another choice.

This.

user104658 20-02-2019 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10451428)

Its the Anti Brexit Group

Labantibrexatives.

arista 20-02-2019 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10451435)
Labantibrexatives.



Good Fast One
TS

user104658 20-02-2019 01:07 PM

A decent, sensible centrist party separate from the century-long Labour / Conservative nonsense is something this country desperately needs, to be fair. Not sure that can be delivered by ex-Tories and Labourites, though.

reece(: 20-02-2019 01:08 PM

Anna dragging May for getting into bed with the ERG just weeks after they voted no confidence in her :clap1:

arista 20-02-2019 01:08 PM

[13:57

Could you rejoin the Conservative Party?

Soubry and Allen both say flatly "no". Wollaston doesn't answer the question but says
there was no effort made by the prime minister or whips office to keep her in the party.]

arista 20-02-2019 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10451440)
A decent, sensible centrist party separate from the century-long Labour / Conservative nonsense is something this country desperately needs, to be fair. Not sure that can be delivered by ex-Tories and Labourites, though.



But will that Group
get bigger funding to become a Party?
Its very expensive

And if brexit happens
what will they become
dust?

bots 20-02-2019 01:17 PM

the only thing that unites this group is opposition to brexit .... they are at different ends of the political spectrum in everything else. The way I see it, they have taken this action to go against the wishes of the electorate that they re supposed to be representing. It's not a good look.

user104658 20-02-2019 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10451456)
the only thing that unites this group is opposition to brexit .... they are at different ends of the political spectrum in everything else. The way I see it, they have taken this action to go against the wishes of the electorate that they re supposed to be representing. It's not a good look.

Depends on the voting percentages for Brexit in their respective constituencies, I suppose, as at the end of the day an MP's only loyalty should be to their own voters and the best interests of their own constituency.


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