you do realise that your words are 100% discriminatory

No more discriminatory than saying young people are lazy, lowlife scrowngers that sit and play Xbox all day

Yup, you are working, even though you are learning, and should be paid for it.

Its odd, when people think stuff lie this is ok because 'lazy young', should work for free, but then complain that they have to claim JSA or whatever to survive on. Like, you cannot logically agree with both forcing people to work for free, but also complain that they have no income.

I think even learning on the job stuff should be paid. I think workfare and the likes should be done away with and employers should be made to pay proper wages when people work for them, rather than picking from an endless pool of unfortunate people who have to do all the bad sides of working without the one upside, which is a wage and cash to do what you want. I also think employers such as subway, should be made to pay properly rather than using 'apprenticeship' as a way to pay half, or less. Its horrible and exploitative and absolutely should not be encouraged or allowed.

And you consider a “man” to be what exactly? Someone who’s prepared to put themselves in front of a fired gun?

Pretty much and it’s gross but you should pull up others for doing it too about the younger generation. Young and old are as bad as each other.

Well I obviously agree 100% but its clearly a reply to the likes of...

This kind of thing. Which seems fine and dandy.

6 of one 2 3s of the other IMO.

Obviously not all old people are that way, but I’ve crossed paths with way more rude old people than younger people, but that reply to my post kinda proves the point that you’re only allowed to discriminate against the young and it be acceptable

Stoic, emotionally shut off, traumatised, unquestioning adherence to authority... one supposes.

And someone who is sent out onto a battle field to sacrifice themselves because the leaders of two different countries want to show the other they have a bigger dick. It’s pointless and senseless.

At least the past two generations have grown up in a time where peace in their country is the norm. Why would anybody want to put themselves in a situation that threatens that?

No, you don’t hate or generalise the young at all, do you?

So would your answer be to get rid of all our military ?

Very true. Just sit on their arses and pronounce on everything

You could go and be a runner for a week? Sure, it's the butt-end of the career ladder in film and tv, but it's where most have to start, and you'd get to see a lot of the different aspects of putting the thing together.

Maybe they should be retroactively made to work for several decades, pay taxes, and in some cases fight for the country ... or something?

They should be less judgmental that's all

I’m not the one suggesting we force anyone born after 2000 into war zones, no-one should be forced into anything because of their age, that’s sort of the point I’m trying to make

Its not about forcing them though,its those who commit crimes, and wonder round aimlessly commiting all sorts, we force them into prison so why not a boot camp style facility,

People need to take a good long look at themselves before they diss other people old or young.

Once again, boot camp for criminals isn’t the subject that’s been put on the table,

Yeah you seem to be focussed on criminals which is a different convo really and something I could probably get on board with.

However the general thread, along with the answers to stuff, is about just..'the young'. No criminals, just younger people in general who are apparently all idle and do nowt but play on xboxes (an answer that kind of shocked me tbh)

One thing saying its for those who do wrong in society. Quite another for it to be about people who are just born after a certain date, and for seemingly no reason besides some being lazy!

My point wasn’t that though. I’d happily be a runner. But those opportunities aren’t given us because we aren’t near any studios. The opportunities we get are make a film for someone for free.

no, the only thing what is a MUST should be breathing, eating, drinking, sleeping, going to toilet, and taking a shower


everything else is a choice

Got away with it yet again

The older generations used to lock mentally ill and mentally disabled people in asylums and throw away the key, they didn't know their elbow from their arse when it came to knowing the effects forcing people into service could do to them.

Before anyone demands that they bring back national service, they should campaign to make sure our veterans are properly taken care of first. Too many veterans slip through the cracks into homelessness and are wrecked by PTSD and they don't get the help they need and National Service will only add to that. It's just a pointless exercise in spite by the older generations and nothing more.

As I said before, they'd be better putting all that money towards teaching teenagers how to function in the adult world and handle things like taxes, credit scores and banking and learning their rights and what they are entitled to. That will do more good then a pointless scheme just to make the older generations think they've got one over on the young.

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Nobody ever answered what would happen with those suffering with bad mental health issues and those that are disabled?

So its ok for someone else to face a bullet for you ? but you wont do it for anyone else ? ...Wow ......just wow !!!

So it's ok for you to dictate that a bunch of kids should but you wouldn't have to face any similar situation?

Wow... just wow!!!

Why exactly does anyone need to be taking bullets for anyone at the present moment in time? Is there a war on that threatens this country?

Did your boys join the military? My only child is a boy and the thought if him being forced to do National Service sickens me. Should he choose that career path, I will support him but no child should be forced into it. He will make his own career choice when it comes to it. I would not force anyone to take a bullet for me unless they choose to

It's okay for someone to make that choice for themselves, it's not okay to force them to by insisting they serve.

Also, as Marsh said, you want to force a bunch of young people into service so.... Why are you trying this angle when it's the same thing as what you are doing?

Chuff if you’re that keen on fighting for your country why don’t you do it? Why don’t you get involved!

They wouldn't be able to go would they? they can't join the army

Imagine sending someone with asthma and they have an attack in the middle of it all..They basically sending them off to die.

Um, isn't that exactly what supporters of national service want?

Just some of the reasons that thankfully national service is a thing of the past :clap1:

I did Mitch,I said those people would not be called up.

I know you did Kaz, once again you’ve engaged in a debate rather than stated a few opinions and ran off, only respect for my MP ;) x

That goes without saying doesn't it ?

Does it?

Your idea of X-Box National Service is extremely vague and generalising an entire generation.

There are bone idle thugs and wasters of all ages.

Was also suggested at some point that drug addicts should do this..which would be fantastic, especially if cold turkeying in the field!