She literally said masks may stop the transf of corona, not from you actually getting it. Hence People not wearing masks have given it to trump, not due to him not wearing the mask. Whether he wore a mask or not probably would have made no difference. That is what the science has suggested so far :shrug:

Oh please. Farage is a blight on the planet just like Trump is.

Scumbags united

‘Stop trying to make him accountable’ he’s the ****ing President?

‘It’s an incredibly disturbing and vile statement to make’ good job that I haven’t made that statement then isn’t it? I’ve clarified in reply to Annie my feelings on the subject and that I hope he brings awareness to this virus, but carry on telling me stuff I haven’t said...

A president that routinely calls the virus a hoax, encourages people not to wear masks or social distance if they don’t want to, mocks people for following the health guidelines that keep people as safe as possible, most definitely needs to be accountable for his behaviour what people do or don’t do, as a result of it

he is the president, of course he decides what people do at his rallies, he said no masks and no social distancing ...you reap what you sow

People do what they wanna do

Imagine being like "oh well I was TOLD what to do here"

Nah. People make their own decisions

He purposely goes against the wishes of the local officials who have banned mass gatherings for the sake of their residents health, so he can hold his cult meetings, he puts the health of his countrys citizens at risk to make himself feel better, his entire handling of this pandemic will be investigated for years once he’s out of office, on top of everything else he’s done, I can’t wait to see him at The Hague

i'm sorry but you are totally wrong ... try reading, it might help

Is anyone posting what Donald should have done (bearing in mind its the United States and not the UK ie each state is like an individual country)

maybe members could list 5 things that should have been done and also include the economic impact and how that would have affected health?

Yep, not sure what they would have done different if they were the next PM

Stick to the topic.

Wore a mask. Not sacrificed lives out of sheer bloody mindedness.

Already better than Trump and Boris combined

even if Trump has mild symptoms, this will likely floor him and sap his energy and don't forget that the message coming out from our government was that Boris had mild symptoms and was in high spirits ... even as he was being wheeled into intensive care. Administrations never tell the truth on a leaders health, so the next couple of weeks are going to be interesting, but don't believe the prepared message, it's rarely true

If I’m not mistaken you weren’t happy about masks at first :shrug:

People can change their minds on things, I know what a crazy concept

You're mistaken. I have always been quite happy to wear a mask. Don't get me wrong they aren't exactly a fashion accessory but needs must.

That’s a good point .. one thing I recall about that first wave was the number of people who weren’t too ill and felt better after a week or so BUT then suddenly got very , very poorly very quickly


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I don’t like trump but I hope he recovers

You definitely are making it a Right vs Left issue since you chose to use a left wing example as a 'gotcha' which completely flopped since I don't care which side someone falls on if they are dangerously incompetent, can you say the same?

If we were talking about Putin, or Kim Jong Un, or any other world leader who has caused suffering on a mass scale, would you be making out that people were evil for not caring if they lived or died? I think not.

As I said before, in majority of the post you chose to ignore because it deflated your argument completely that it's as much local government's fault as federal, The large number of deaths in the US is purely down to Trump's leadership downplaying the virus and turning it into a political weapon against the left. So many people are convinced it's not real or not a problem because of him and, as I said before, that's proven by looking at red states and states in which Trump Allies are in charge of, which tend to be the worst hit by the virus. Brazil is also high in Covid deaths and that's no doubt down to Bolsonero being similarly dismissive of Covid like Trump is. It's common sense really, if you have a leader that's spreading misinformation and is downplaying the virus, the country they run will suffer for it.

You're trying to make me out to be some vicious evil person for not caring about someone whose incompetence has caused so much loss for hundreds of thousands of families. My sympathy goes to them, not the monster that enabled such widespread death.

Science disagrees.

Great post
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there is more info coming out on trumps health. They are giving him anti body treatment and he is fatigued and he has a fever, so there is a level of concern

Well there was a microbiologist on ITV a week or so ago saying that you can fit 250,000 Covid particles on a pinhead which equates to an ant walking through some park gates when you think your mask is gonna protect you ( or anyone else ) .
Masks simply catch the bigger droplets ..


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Well, you said it yourself, masks do something.

Very , very little though .... was his point


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Again I'm not the one accusing leaders of being 'monsters', 'dangerously incompetent' and having 'enabled widespread death' so I don't need to say the same - I haven't used that language about anyone because I think it's disproportionate and irresponsible

There's two issues here - one is how well/badly Trump has handled the pandemic; the second is whether he deserves to die for it. I am solely arguing on the second one: that he does not deserve to die.

Yes Walter Reed Hospital
he has a Fever

All feeling very deja vu from when Boris went in - 'precautionary measure', 'in good spirits' etc

Hope it doesn't get to the same stage

yeah, i think its the same tone but speeded up ... if he has a fever he may already have had it for a week

He's being treated with an experimental cocktail of drugs. I hope he does recover quickly and its precautionary. Still echo my earlier statement that he takes the advised precautions more seriously in future

i think the fact that they are giving him an anti body injection that has only ever been given to 250 people, that there is a problem

I don't think he "deserves" to die but he's in his mid 70's, a large catalyst in a historic rift in American society, a white supremacist and an alleged (in my opinion probable) sex offender possibly including minors.

So while I'm not on board with "wishing" death on people, if Baby Jesus came down and said "Guys, dad says someone has to die or he's gonna do rapture" ... I'm just saying ... there are worse picks.

my trumpy he needs to pull through. America would be nothing without him.
What a true hero.

Maybe because he's bad, maybe because he's stupid and powerful and has insisted on "all the best cutting edge stuff". With Trump it could honestly be either. I think he's proven himself to be naive enough about health to believe that taking every experimental treatment going is a good idea - and insisting on it would be pretty on-brand.

asif people are still arguing over if masks are helping to protect from covid.

They are. It is a scientific fact.