remember the crap that got thrown at trump when he withdrew usa troops from the turkish border? This is much, much worse than that and it is Biden's responsibility

the afghan government isnt a real thing. The country is based on local clans, that is it's natural state

Yes that's the problem.

Stuart Ramsey in Kabul
said the Green Zone
the guards have gone,
The Gates are Open.

Interesting Tom Tugendhat on Sky news saying the Afghan army was left poorly equipped with no air power and with morale at rock bottom at being abandoned

There's going to be huge amounts written in the future about what a monumental **** up this has been

This whole thing was started by Trump, who even wanted to invite the taliban to camp david on the anniversary of 9/11, and had to be told no.

It's an appalling thing to do to our allies, just as turkey was. Biden has screwed up too, I'm not excusing him of any blame, but the withdrawal process was started by trump.

https://eu.usatoday.com/in-depth/new...en/4667248001/

Updated 5:47 PM GMT Mar. 17, 2021

WASHINGTON – President Joe Biden is under mounting pressure as he weighs whether to fully withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan by May 1, a deadline negotiated by the Trump administration.

The May 1 timetable is part of an agreement the Trump administration forged with the Taliban in February 2020

oh yes it certainly was, but biden agreed with it and implemented it. He could have reversed it.

I think the situation is much more complicated than it appears. For example, 1 high ranking taliban member said women will be allowed freedoms, education etc, while another says nope. One gives a commitment to not breed terrorists another group encourages it The government is a false organisation and it has no legitimacy because thats just not the way afghanistan functions

I agree it should have been reversed, but I think it's a bit disingenuous to put all this on Biden the way you seemed to. I'm not sure that reversing a deal that trump made with a terrorist organisation is the best way to avoid future terrorist attacks in the US which would have also needed to be taken into consideration.

I actually think the Turkey thing was worse - we left our Kurdish allies completely exposed to ethnic cleansing, which they have been facing most of the last 50 years.

Commercial Planes in Kabul
can not land - due to the fighting or possible fighting


SkyNewsHD Live in Kabul.

Have they got all the Embassy staff out yet?

Slim
Biden never wanted Troops left in that nation.
From many years back.

Yes Trump set up the Meetings with Taliban
but President Biden was ready to leave, Anyway

No the Americans go first

Stuart Ramsey Live in a Kabul hotel
Taliban marching (or Supporters of the Taliban)down the Street
going past his hotel.

Then the Power went out
at his Hotel.

Lisa Nandy Labour MP (SkyNewsHD)
demands we go back?

She is a Fool.

Its too late now.



Johnson PM has confirmed from now on it is
only Diplomatic Talks

Typical Arista calling women fools, whilst supporting Johnson.

No This One Labour MP
is an utter fool.

Once USA left
the rest went with them

President Biden is the one that set this up.

And all the other women you repeatedly call fools, are all, I'm sure, also utter fools.

Biden, himself, was going to leave fast
Anyway


This new Date Sept 11th
was set up by Biden.

Stay on the Title of this thread
you are being silly

President Ghani
needs surrender

I've responded to the words written, so move along.

I just heard on LBC that local forces have been in talks with the Taliban for weeks which is why they have offered no resistance

Why would you send troops back in now it would be a full on confrontation

https://www.rt.com/news/532104-ghani-left-afghanistan/

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/w...for-Tajikistan

President Ghani left the country for Tajikistan

Yes to stay Alive

on the BBC .....

President Ashraf Ghani has left the country, reports say, quoting Afghan officials.

It comes as Taliban reached the outskirts of Kabul.

Vice-president Amrullah Saleh is also reported to have fled.

Mr Ghani has come under increasing pressure to resign as major cities around Afghanistan have fallen to Taliban militants over the course of 10 days.

We should have reassessed and not planned such a quick withdrawal.

MTVN pointed out Tom Tugendhat, the Chairman of the Foreign affairs Committee.

He describes this as Britain's biggest foreign policy disaster since Suez.
He stated the UK has ABANDONED the Afghan people.

In my view, he's dead right.

Too late to go back in now, although how many terrorist attacks will it take to happen in the UK and USA again now, before that may have to be risked.

Better to have kept things as stable as they were, than throw all away, the region again into chaos.
Endangering the UK and other parts of the World too.

It wasnt a UK decision, it was an international coalition that were in afghanistan. The UK doesn't have the resources to go it alone there

I haven't heard us even warning or moaning about the early withdrawal.

Do we just crawl and follow others leads???
Or do we ever use our own voice??

Or did our government fully agree with doing what the USA wanted regardless of moral duty to others.

Yes, a wise move.

Even China is in talks with the new power
The Taliban.

the usa provided the command and control and the majority of the force, so while they will listen to what others say, their decision is final because the other countries couldn't operate without them

Don't something like 99% of Afghanis want shariah law?

Talk about lost causes, why should western resources -and especially lives- be wasted on people who want to live under terrorism anyway?

edit: especially if the Taliban have been making deals with China and others, it's not worth all the conflict for people who don't want saving.

Canada will accept 20,000 refugees

Presidential Palace in Kabul
now is under Taliban control.

Reuters reported


No traditional government was set up
fast enough.



UK
Johnson PM another Cobra meeting.