Typical of the Left Winger
on LBC Live


He is going through a Conservative List
of MP's with 2nd contracts

Why is he not Also doing the Labour Party?
At the same time.

Cox has put a statement out
he will co-operate with the enquiry.

And has said he gets voted in by the public.
Not breaking any rules etc.

Ref:Times Radio DAB

what they really need to do is stop MP's taking second jobs. This has bugged me for years. That would make outside lobbying much more clear cut

Yes a shame
New Labour Blair increased it all

Defence Secretary Ben Wallace will write to Labour and the SNP to express disappointment over the alleged poor behaviour of some of their MPs on a visit to troops in Gibraltar.

A witness told the BBC two SNP MPs drank very heavily on the journey and were inebriated on arrival.

The account was rejected by the SNP, who called the accusations "false".

A Labour MP has also been accused of drinking with the two SNP MPs. The party hasn't yet commented.

Mr Wallace said the alleged conduct "risks undermining respect for Parliament".

A group of 15 MPs were visiting troops in Gibraltar this week as part of the Armed Forces Parliamentary Scheme, which aims to give members of Parliament an insight into military life.

The witness said the three MPs in question drank in the airport lounge before departure then drank heavily on the flight.

But the SNP rejected the claims, and said their two MPs - Drew Hendry and David Linden - were "honoured to be invited" on the trip.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59243206

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Bad behaviour from the SNP and labour

The Left Winger on LBC
is doing the same show as he did yesterday.

Thats just Pathetic.

My post from yesterday
LBC same topic right now

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11...6594581811.jpg

This doesn't sound like any behaviour David Linden would engage in.

It's a bit rich for the Cons to be talking at this time about undermining the respect of parliament.
Unbelievable.

If they HAVE, acted like the Cons state, IF, then indeed discipline needs to be enacted.
However this PM, and the Cons really need to take a long hard look at their own.

the problem Joey is that an awful lot of MP's across the board take advantage of their jobs or act in a manner unsuitable for the status of the job, and it's been going on for decades.

I hate to refer back to Tony Blair, but the reason I do so in this case is because he had a massive majority. He laughed at ethics during his time because he could, a lot of MP's flouted the rules too. With a large majority, democracy and ethical concern goes out the window because they know they are protected (unless the press go wild or they did something really bad)

Boris is acting pretty much the same, he does at least reverse decisions some times when there is an outcry, so that's an improvement over Blair.

Going back even further to Thatcher's massive majority and MP's were held accountable quite regularly. There were plenty incidents, but they did result in resignations etc. I think the reason for that was that in those days MP's were still respected unlike now, so the scale of transgression always seemed more obvious

I completely agree with most of all that.

The whole political system needs changing from the top down.
I would never disagree with you re Blair.

This is why I don't like governments with massive majorities.
I'm not going to do my usual as to changing the electoral system.
Which would in my view make MPs far more concerned at impressing their voters and holding their seats.

Johnson however in my view only backtracks after media and public outcry.
Had he had no or little negative response to putting his vote to change this system to assist this MP.
Then he'd have not even considered a u turn on it.

He knew these things needed to be set up with cross party agreement.
He rushed this through, whipping his MPs.
Without EVER consulting other parties.

It's good there was an outcry.
Without it, he wouldn't have listened at all.

Politics I doubt now cannot be mended, without a change to ensure NO party can govern after getting the support of around 4 in 10 voters.
With majorities of high double figure seats.

For as long as we have around 40% of voters dictating a massive overall majority government over the near 57% of voters who didn't support having such a government.
Then trust and respect cannot be restored.

I don't necessarily agree, an awful lot of MPs take advantage.
I think it's a reasonable number but not an awful lot.

I know there are dedicated, caring MPs across ALL parties, who try to hold their integrity and do the best they can in their career for their constituents.

Overall however, I agree with your post in the main.

i think the MP who suggested Rashford concentrate on his day job and had a second job themselves is absolutely priceless :laugh:

That has to be the story of the week

Johnson PM
confirmed a By Election in December
for Owen Paterson seat

He was just on SkyNewsHD
recorded at a Covid Vaccinate place.

I'm surprised he's wanting it done this rapidly.

less time for the opposition to organise the anti sleaze campaign against them.

The last time this was done a complete idiot got elected too

Labour has not gone along with dropping out and putting up an anti sleaze candidate up though.
Labour will be standing.

I thought the anti sleaze candidate idea was ridiculous.
Would the Labour party, Lib Dems and Greens be saying, their OWN candidates wouldn't be anti sleaze.
Bonkers.

Plus, the new Conservative candidate too, surely wouldn't be a sleaze one either..
I'm sure the Cons will ensure a safer pair of hands for this seat.

BBC text:
[Sunday Mirror alleges on its front page that
Conservative MP Richard Fuller has received
more than £700,000 from work outside
his parliamentary role,
with a large chunk allegedly coming from
a firm which the paper reports invests
in spy technology in China.
The Mirror carries a quote from Labour
which has said the so-called sleaze scandal
"gets worse by the day".]

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BBC Text :
[The Times headlines on a backlash
from some Tory MPs over plans to ban
them from taking second jobs.]

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He did indeed crash on the Paterson affair.

What sticks in my mind, which this PM will never answer.
Is since these things are designed on a cross party basis.
With this PM now saying he wants it done on a cross party basis.

Why then, 2 weeks ago did he dismiss other parties and independently push through parliament his own policy, to erase the findings of the already cross party findings on Paterson.
Forcing his MPs to back it too.

Why didn't he before that, do cross party consultation rather than in terrible judgement and deliberately to save one of his own exclude ALL other parties.

Honestly, had there been little or no backlash.
What he set out to do 2 weeks ago he'd have done.
Never thinking of backtracking.

Now the old chestnut of hindsight may be a defence of him by some of his harder line supporters.
I've come in my life so far, to see hindsight actually as often just more like shocking and incompetent planning and judgement in the first place.

Then his victory yesterday comes with less than half even of the Commons voting strength.
Even around 60 less of his OWN MPs voting strength too.

it's all down to effective opposition or lack of. The strongest opposition at the moment is from the general public and the media, not the labour party

"What sticks in my mind, which this PM will never answer."


But that is what Johnson PM is like
he avoids being Sorry.

Well we have a PM and Ministers who don't respect parliamentary procedure or even the Speaker.
So they're hardly going to ever listen to the opposition.

You keep battering the Labour party.
It has its vision and ideas.
You may not like their vision and prefer this hard-line government breaking laws and rules across the board.

The leader of the opposition and other opposition leaders, question this PM in parliament but get dismissed with tripe and no real answers.
He even ignores correction from the Speaker.
So what do opppsitons do in that scenario.

When faced with a self styled buffoon as Leader of the Nation.
However in my view an ignorant and a dangerous buffoon who only shows disrespect for authority above him and rules and laws.

Plus has a media which still backs him in the main, a media which won't give a fairer and balanced presentation of opposition to the government, from ALL parties, not just Labour.

it still doesn't get past the fact that labour as the official opposition are completely useless. We can wrap that up however you like, but that's their job and they are completely ineffective. It's pretty ridiculous to blame the PM for the lack of opposition

He doesn't accept opposition.
You can deflect from his ignorance all you wish.
It's no surprise to me as a Con supporter.

Opposition you say.
Everytime Labour pulls up the government, even on this sleaze where he's had to backtrack.
You and others criticise Labour.

Labour could have policies akin to perfection but Cons, possibly yourself included, would never admit it.
As the Cons are your party.

I as a Labour supporter would likely be one of a Labour led government's hardest critics if they did wrong in power.

All hard-line and closet hardline Cons do is turn things back on Labour, to deflect the failings, terrible failings of this PM and their government.
Still backing them all the way, no matter what.

It's why I really hope we across the Labour movement, can persuade even more Labour MPs and Starmer to adopt PR.
Yes, Labour may never then be a majority government again.
However to those hard-line Cons, the Cons would never likely be a majority government again either.

Certainly not with an 80 majority for only 43% of the votes.
.I believe PR can be achieved, it's estimated around 80% of Labour members want it.
Labour voters I know from canvassing seem to want it.

The whole parliamentary process from elections to what happens in parliament, needs reform in my view, top to bottom.
If I had my way I'd change near everything about governmental process.

PR is the way to do so for starters.

All the opposition parties are ineffective because they are near all, except for the extreme DUP, on the same sheet as to Opposition to this detestable government.

Which is a government which has no respect, little integrity and uses its 80 seat majority to ride all over and dismiss all opposition.

You can shout at someone all you like, however is as if with this PM they've stuffed their ears and don't care, you will remain ineffective.

Labour needs a new idea, a reforming idea and for me PR would not ONLY be attractive to most voters, ( not the 30% I think are hardline Con Voters), however it would get the attention of and attract the up to 30% who never vote in elections, believing there's no point as their votes are wasted.

Under PR most of those non voters could then greatly help transform parliament and government.
To create better and more concensus government too.