As I understand it this is the case. If a multinational company employs someone, that contract is covered by the employment law of the country that person pays income tax in. UK employees will be covered by UK employment law... I think most likely there has been a large breach here.

that is correct, but the things they appear not to have complied with ... consultation with unions, and letting the government know they were dumping that number of staff have been breached loads of times previously with no consequence, so i don't see it being different this time

True there are always loopholes. My lovely previous employer had a blanket policy of taking disciplinary action against staff who attempted to unionise or join an existing union - which is totally illegal, but in the 10 years I worked there that policy never changed.

They have allowed companies to fire and rehire, like BG and BA but I believe they rehired the same people but on less lucrative contracts, not saying that is any better but this is a mile away from that where people have just been made redundant where ordinarily they would have been offered alternative jobs if they were available within the company

Also are all the Officers EU staff then as they have been kept on? that is a general question not just to you BOTs

in my day, you didn't make people redundant, you made the role redundant. If a company rehired someone to the same role (within 6 months?) then that was illegal. That must have changed

Alan Johnson (Former Home Secretary for Labour)
has pointed out if you sack more than 100 workers
you need to alert the Minister 45 days before.

He was speaking on Ch4HD PM Live

At my workplace most people have left the unions.
But I'm still on it. You never know, one day you might need it.

Stay in the union, Vanessa. Workers rights are on the table, so you need all the protection you can get. You've made a good choice.

Of course Slim
but Unions can not stop a company from
closing down forever

So unless unions can stop absolutely everything, then what are you saying?

Well what a surprise...

Sources at the DfT said it was made aware of the impending mass sackings and suspension of ferry services on Wednesday night.

Boris Johnson’s official spokesperson had said on Thursday: “We weren’t given any notice to this.”

He confirmed on Friday that senior officials at the DfT had first been informed about the firm’s plan on Wednesday evening but had kept the information within a small group, because of concerns about commercial sensitivity.

The spokesperson said ministers were investigating whether P&O Ferries broke the law, describing the firm’s behaviour as “extreme”.

“We expect companies to treat their employees fairly. It is only in extreme circumstances that employers need to make extreme decisions to secure the future of their businesses if all other avenues have failed, including negotiations between employer and employees.

“We don’t believe this was the case for P&O staff,” he said, adding: “We are looking into this very carefully



https://www.theguardian.com/business...ing-says-union

Very wise Vanessa.

It's a horrible way to treat your staff. And very bad for their image.
They could have done something similar to British Airways. But this just seems wrong.

My company is good to the employees, but you never know what can happen in the future.

the freight business will likely be unaffected going forward, but their passenger numbers will go down a lot. Even if they halved the pay of the new workers, thats still by their calculation a 50 million annual loss. Lets see if its still in business 12 months down the road

In this Case
they made sure the Union were not warned
as it would slow the change over, up.



As soon as they were told to get everyone off
and themselves
the Unions yesterday,
had a feeling something like
this was going to happen.


What will the Conservatives do
Fine them?


One Union Leader
has asked the Government to takeover control of all the boats
and on Monday,
Labour will also vote the same.


Of course, it is not likely
the Government would be that bold.

Grant Shapps has said his phone
is full of calls from Blue Chip firms who want to take
these workers on.

Speaking in Blackpool
to GBnewsHD

i support the unions taking a stand because workers rights have been hammered for decades. If that means taking p&o to court ... go for it

That's good. I hope they all find work

They need to be sued.. You don't treat your workers that way

I'm old enough to remember an election when a pro-workers rights, pro-nationalisation candidate was smeared as a dangerous communist. Now it requires boldness? :laugh:


Right side of history. Again.

[P&O Ferries: New Eastern European crew paid '£2-an-hour'
on board 'don't have clearance to sail' after agency
employing them was set up just one MONTH ago by Swiss boss]
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03...7620214571.jpg
[The new agency staff who will be manning
P&O Ferries' ships are an 'Eastern European' crew
who have been offered '£2.60-an-hour' wages
in a move union bosses have slammed
as being a 21st century recreation of 'slave ships'.
Pictured: Workers are seen aboard the Spirit of Britain in Dover, Kent]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...st-2-hour.html

So who had "slave ships" on their dystopian apocalypse bingo?

Sooooo if P&O are losing £1 million per day how on Earth does sacking 800 people then replacing them with cheaper workers going to help matters ??

Even if each new worker accepts £50 per day less ( unlikely) that only saves £40,000 per day .. especially if they are going to have to shell out thousands in severance payments


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i said exactly the same earlier and the public will use other alternatives now if they can, so their income will go down, and they have to pay to make all these redundancies. I give them a year before they stop trading

They have behaved appallingly. I will never use thwei services.

Tories reading this thread, then getting to your "good news" post about slave ships.

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Shout out to legend killer for the gif

But if you don’t operate in a single country, are you legally entitled to one country’s legal min wage

Also don’t they receive accomodation and food for working on board these ferries? Don’t see what they’ll spend any money on

Saves them £120k a day

Well Kizzy if you didn’t know Boris doesn’t work in the Department for Transport anymore

are Ferries viable in today's market?

apart from say in Scotland to serve Islands?

Maybe we need their fleet of ships for something else.

Those aren't viable either, they're 1) already subsidised, 2) ancient and 3) constantly having maintenance issues.

Source: My sister lives on an island.

How !?

They can’t be saving £150 a day per person surely !!

How much are they flaming well earning per day !!?


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You have calculated someone on £2 an hour will save the company £40k a day

Assuming all the 800 got sacked were earning a min of £8 an hour

Thats x4 = £160k - 40k = £120k

Erm I said Brexit was a way to rid the UK of workers rights in 2016 does that count?

no because it was an incorrect politically biased blanket statement that was made not to inform but to inflame based on tribal politics

it was a highly inflated claim that was made as a jibe

not as an actual forecast