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Mystic Mock 30-10-2024 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11551964)
I have never used the terms heartless or monster, to be fair.

I am sure that she irl cares about things and people. But in that house I simply see her game and the way that she chooses to play it.... Othering, grooming, negative imaging, and manipulating are not qualities that I admire is all and I see her doing that constantly. The current situation with Hanah is no exception.

Her real life profession requires no compassion though I don't think. Forensic psychology isn't about that.

I would just imagine that most people that work in Forensic Psychology would have a basic level of empathy, but maybe I'm wrong tbf as I'm not an expert on this topic.

And I do largely agree with your points, I just do wonder if on the side did Ali also feel bad for Hanah a little bit.

vesavius 30-10-2024 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 11551968)

And I do largely agree with your points, I just do wonder if on the side did Ali also feel bad for Hanah a little bit.

Maybe, but that wasn't her motivation. She didn't give a **** about how Hanah felt until she had the opportunity to try and recruit her.

FromBB8 30-10-2024 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11551971)
Maybe, but that wasn't her motivation. She didn't give a **** about how Hanah felt until she had the opportunity to try and recruit her.

I think the problem is we've seen before - I think it was on the highlights rather than the live feed - Ali say about bringing Hanah over from the other group. At that point there was no sign that she was struggling with female company or drifting away from the guys. It did seem like a gameplay move.

I can see why people would argue from a place of compassion yesterday, and I can see it myself if I take myself away from what has happened before. But the above is nagging at me, and I cannot help it doing so.

Vanessa 30-10-2024 09:20 AM

As if Hannah can be recruited. She does what she pleases :laugh:

vesavius 30-10-2024 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 11551979)
As if Hannah can be recruited. She does what she pleases :laugh:

Hanah really isn't the independent-thinking boss bitch that she pretends to be. It's mainly bluster and posturing.

vesavius 30-10-2024 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by FromBB8 (Post 11551977)
I think the problem is we've seen before - I think it was on the highlights rather than the live feed - Ali say about bringing Hanah over from the other group. At that point there was no sign that she was struggling with female company or drifting away from the guys. It did seem like a gameplay move.

I can see why people would argue from a place of compassion yesterday, and I can see it myself if I take myself away from what has happened before. But the above is nagging at me, and I cannot help it doing so.

Everything is being played in a very cynical and calculating way, one that relies on playing the audience as much as the house. She reminds me of Aaron in the way that she is doing that now that she has switched strategies after her first one failing so very badly.

In her case being seen as 'compassionate Ali' is part of that... But it's performative niceness. Like I say zero ***** were given until it was a weakness to be exploited.

I actually do think it will work out for Ali though and she will be there on final night.

eternal 30-10-2024 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11551863)
Nothing she has done has been caring. Everything has been self serving.

Trying to groom Hanah away from the lads, for example, is not 'caring' about Hanah... It's just getting another nom to support her, or at least to not be on her.

Ali saw weakness and exploited it.

This.

It was actually disturbing to see Ali slowly walk over to Hanah to "comfort" her.

A couple of scenes later she's telling her lap dogs they need to get Hanah on board because she's feeling "vulnerable".

vesavius 30-10-2024 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by eternal (Post 11552054)
This.

It was actually disturbing to see Ali slowly walk over to Hanah to "comfort" her.

A couple of scenes later she's telling her lap dogs they need to get Hanah on board because she's feeling "vulnerable".

It's actually really creepy how fast Ali spots weakness and vulnerability and zeros on it iin order to exploit it.

Zizu 30-10-2024 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by eternal (Post 11552054)
This.

It was actually disturbing to see Ali slowly walk over to Hanah to "comfort" her.

A couple of scenes later she's telling her lap dogs they need to get Hanah on board because she's feeling "vulnerable".


I am not watching the series now but you’ve just described , in some detail , someone being thoughtful and considerate .

So how on earth you have you read it as being ‘disturbing’ is mystifying


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Zizu 30-10-2024 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11552057)
It's actually really creepy how fast Ali spots weakness and vulnerability and zeros on it iin order to exploit it.


No comment


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GoldHeart 30-10-2024 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11552363)
I am not watching the series now but you’ve just described , in some detail , someone being thoughtful and considerate .

So how on earth you have you read it as being ‘disturbing’ is mystifying


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Wait ...did you say you stopped watching???:conf: .

Zizu 30-10-2024 05:03 PM

Ali attempting to apply the patriarchal pyramid to the house
 
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Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 11552370)
Wait ...did you say you stopped watching???:conf: .


I stopped watching ages ago as I found this forum’s ridiculous character assassination of Ali too much too of a strain .

So I went cold turkey and stopped watching the series and just limited my posts to general stuff

It worked out well as we are staying with relatives in Florida and so watching hours of BB each night is completely unfeasable


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GoldHeart 30-10-2024 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11552378)
I stopped watching ages ago as I found this forum’s ridiculous character assassination of Ali too much too of a strain .

So I went cold turkey and stopped watching the series and just limited my posts to general stuff

It worked out well as we are staying with relatives in Florida and so watching hours of BB each night is completely unfeasable


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But if you're not watching ,how can you comment and tell us we're " wrong" ? . You're missing what's happening.

You actually would have liked last night's show Ali & Hanah had a sweet moment,I even said so myself. It seemed genuine even on Ali's part ,she saw Hanah was upset...and had a private heart to heart upstairs.

The reason people doubt Ali's motives,is because afterwards she was outside with Dean etc talking about taking Hanah into their group. It's like she's gone a little into game mode / recruitment. But if you're not watching Zizu ..then you won't know what we mean :shrug:.

I think the moment was sincere from Ali ,but I think she's still trying to use it to her advantage...and she wants more strength in numbers. You might not agree,but that's how I see it .

On another note ,I hope you're enjoying your holiday with relatives in Florida :wavey: . It's good to unwind & take a break.

vesavius 30-10-2024 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11552363)
I am not watching the series now but you’ve just described , in some detail , someone being thoughtful and considerate .

I mean, it's hard to take the opinion seriously of someone that isn't even watching the show. :shrug:

But thanks for bumping the thread either way.

Benjamin 30-10-2024 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11552394)
I mean, it's hard to take the opinion seriously of someone that isn't even watching the show. :shrug:

But thanks for bumping the thread either way.

:clap1:

Zizu 30-10-2024 05:22 PM

Ali attempting to apply the patriarchal pyramid to the house
 
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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11552394)
I mean, it's hard to take the opinion seriously of someone that isn't even watching the show. :shrug:

But thanks for bumping the thread either way.


I didn’t comment on the series. I commented on someone’s specific take on an incident .

I couldn’t explain myself any clearer to be perfectly honest .. I

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Zizu 30-10-2024 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Benjamin (Post 11552396)
:clap1:


Now you’re just following me around the forum trying to find fault with just about anything I say


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Benjamin 30-10-2024 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11552404)
Now you’re just following me around the forum trying to find fault with just about anything I say


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No, I’m not that bored. I agree I don’t understand why you’re still commenting on things you haven’t seen and tell people they are wrong because you’re obsessed with Ali.

vesavius 30-10-2024 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11552404)
Now you’re just following me around the forum trying to find fault with just about anything I say


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This is pretty much I feel about you replying to me every time in order to make personal comments or whatever, even when you aren't watching! :joker::joker:

GoldHeart 30-10-2024 06:01 PM

I guess you didn't see my comment @Zizu

Zizu 30-10-2024 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Benjamin (Post 11552407)
No, I’m not that bored. I agree I don’t understand why you’re still commenting on things you haven’t seen and tell people they are wrong because you’re obsessed with Ali.


I have been commenting on specific posts rather than the series

Its really not that complicated


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Benjamin 30-10-2024 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11552447)
I have been commenting on specific posts rather than the series

Its really not that complicated


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You’re missing the point. You’re commenting on posts and telling people they’re wrong when you haven’t even watched it.

Zizu 30-10-2024 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11552409)
This is pretty much I feel about you replying to me every time in order to make personal comments or whatever, even when you aren't watching! :joker::joker:


I am just commenting on specifically outlandish posts rather than the series which I haven’t watched since about the 19th October


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Zizu 30-10-2024 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Benjamin (Post 11552449)
You’re missing the point. You’re commenting on posts and telling people they’re wrong when you haven’t even watched it.


The series is irrelevant when I am discussing a particular post not an incident or event


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Beso 30-10-2024 06:18 PM

Her pyramid will only have 2 sides now when One of the 3 queers alliance goes tonight

Zizu 30-10-2024 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Benjamin (Post 11552449)
You’re missing the point. You’re commenting on posts and telling people they’re wrong when you haven’t even watched it.


Show me an example where I have not specifically referred to a post


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Zizu 30-10-2024 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Beso (Post 11552455)
Her pyramid will only have 2 sides now when One of the 3 queers alliance goes tonight


Why word it that way ffs


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BBXX 30-10-2024 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11552457)
Why word it that way ffs

The amount of subtle homophobia on this forum is actually staggering, it makes me sick.

Zizu 30-10-2024 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BBXX (Post 11552459)
The amount of subtle homophobia on this forum is actually staggering, it makes me sick.


I am scared of commenting .. too many infractions and warnings just recently


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Zizu 30-10-2024 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Benjamin (Post 11552449)
You’re missing the point. You’re commenting on posts and telling people they’re wrong when you haven’t even watched it.


I comment on stand alone posts like the one below .. ones where you don’t have to have seen the incident .

I said it was quite a stretch to reach that conclusion

Hopefully this clears the matter up https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...fbc07e1af5.jpg


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Benjamin 30-10-2024 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11552463)
I comment on stand alone posts like the one below .. ones where you don’t have to have seen the incident .

I said it was quite a stretch to reach that conclusion

Hopefully this clears the matter up https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...fbc07e1af5.jpg


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Not really but I cba to talk about your pointless posts.

Zizu 30-10-2024 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Benjamin (Post 11552464)
Not really but I cba to talk about your pointless posts.


Well I cannot make things any clearer ..


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Beso 30-10-2024 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11552457)
Why word it that way ffs


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That's how the 3 of them describe it.:shrug: dont shoot the messenger.:nono:

Beso 30-10-2024 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BBXX (Post 11552459)
The amount of subtle homophobia on this forum is actually staggering, it makes me sick.

You are commenting in a thread about Ali describing her pyramid theory to Dean..it is exactly how she described herself, dean, and martha at the bottom of that pyramid.

Queers, thays what she said, 3 queers. Which incidentally is the Q in LGBTQ, and people are proud to wear that badge so I will say queer whenever I want, thank you very much.

BBXX 30-10-2024 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Beso (Post 11552490)
You are commenting in a thread about Ali describing her pyramid theory to Dean..it is exactly how she described herself, dean, and martha at the bottom of that pyramid.

Queers, thays what she said, 3 queers. Which incidentally is the Q in LGBTQ, and people are proud to wear that badge so I will say queer whenever I want, thank you very much.

A lesbian referred to herself and two housemates she is close to as the queer housemates. She’s never ever referred to it as the 3 Queer Alliance and it’s not up to a straight person to do so on her behalf.

Beso 30-10-2024 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BBXX (Post 11552513)
A lesbian referred to herself and two housemates she is close to as the queer housemates. She’s never ever referred to it as the 3 Queer Alliance and it’s not up to a straight person to do so on her behalf.



I'm doing it on my own behalf thank you, you dont own gay.:nono:

The 3 self proclaimed queers have formed a short lived alliance, I am calling it the 3 queer alliance..what's wrong with that?

BBXX 30-10-2024 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Beso (Post 11552517)
I'm doing it on my own behalf thank you, you dont own gay.:nono:

But that’s not what the alliance is called. The alliance doesn’t even have a name. In fact Ali, Nathan and Dean arent even in a 3-alliance.

So when straight person, who has made questionable similar comments in the past, bunches them together as an alliance and names it the Queer Alliance it conveys a subtle homophobic rhetoric, that is how it is.

Beso 30-10-2024 08:12 PM

They are definitely an alliance.

vesavius 30-10-2024 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11552456)
Show me an example where I have not specifically referred to a post


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Honestly not interested Zizu. Take your personal squabbles elsewhere.

Zizu 30-10-2024 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Beso (Post 11552488)
That's how the 3 of them describe it.:shrug: dont shoot the messenger.:nono:


My apologies if that’s correct


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