lol ... it's andy's armour. If you disagree with him he can accuse you of being "soft on crime" or supporters of the James Bulger murderers. It's just another backdoor argument designed to short circuit any real argument into criminal justice reform.

Some intrest... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-football.html

Kind of related to the topic.

I'm just reiterating that I don't support the release of the two guys, I read your reply to my post, but I'm quoting this one :).

By deferring a death penalty until they are 18 years old, you are giving them a few years being "pampered" as you said before under a system that does very little to reform them, something else you said (I can't remember the exact quote.) Surely it would be better to just kill them straight away, instead of wasting resources on people that under your idea, you do not see the point in reforming? I can't truly understand your point of view because I'm not a parent, but I think if you're going to introduce the death penalty again, there shouldn't be an age restriction on it - it'll give psychotic kids the idea that they can commit a crime and get away with it, and not have to deal with the consequences until they are older.

My original point was that those two boys grew up in a juvenile center somewhere, completely removed from society, and were under the most intense scrutiny from the media that two 10 year old boys have ever been before in the context of a murder trial. What they did was cruel and ridiculously evil, but we, the general public, have no real idea of what their upbringing was like - I find it hard to believe that two boys could be independently deranged like that and be friends: I believe that they had family lives that caused them to be like that.

Moving away from the nature/nurture argument that can never be resolved, I'd like to underline that because they were away from what I think was a horrific home life for so long: they have reformed enough to be released from jail and given a new identity. This is not because the legal system loves them or cares for them, but because it is protecting them from the mob mentality that has been displayed here. I doubt anybody on here would feel sorry for them that they had received their comeuppance, but not everybody would be "celebrating" either. These are, after all, two human beings, and just because they did something horrible when they were young boys, doesn't mean they don't deserve the same rights as the rest of us.

They deserve to rot in hell and they should be locked up and stripped of human rights. Death penalty is the easy way out.

Such a lot of hate here :shrug:

So we should be indifferent about two lads who tortured a boy in some horrific ways just for fun?

But for some it seems so personal as if it was their child and they come across as getting really worked up.

This case has been reviewed by those with more information than we have.

I remember when this case was live and mob rule went into overdrive, even attacking someone who was totally innocent. I see this same hate coming through all over again.

:sad:

Maybe people feel let down by the law, mob rule can be very ugly, never nice.

No they shold be Killed im afrad. Venables and Thompson's pictures send shivers down my back. In my opinion worse than Baby P.


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They should have got given what they gave the young boy. Simple.

This is awful they shouldn't be released that is a fu**ing joke!!

Apparently one of them has KIDS of their OWN! One of them is also to be rumoured to be living in Australia/New Zealand

they shud never have been let out it was disgusting wot they did to that little boy and they knew wot they were doing.

YEAH RIGHT. The justice system here is a joke, but they would never have been granted visa's to live in another country.

I've heard that before too. I don't think it's so outlandish - at least living in a foreign country there's less chance people are going to recognise them.

That's true, but it'd be an extremely stupid for another country to accept them. If their identities and whereabouts got out, it'd be real bad for the country - even though it's well in the past, people wouldn't want to be living with killers. And I doubt they're still seen as threats to the public if they've been released back into it.

I don't know if I'm right with this either, but wouldn't someone released from jail (or something similar) have to stay in their home country?

this is the first i've haerd of this story,and i dont know much about what happened.obviously its sick and twisted,but they were only ten!they've been in prison and baisicly everyone on the planet hates them.why should they be punished any further if they've learnt that what they did is wrong and therefore are less likely to commit any crime such as this again then all of us?couldn't any child with a bad enough upbringing end up doing something like this?

They should at least talk to the mother and be sorry and at least do thousands of hours of community service.

:(

They should do a coin toss, which involves one of them dying the same way James did.