Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11350838)

Biden arrived, barely managed to read from a script and called Hamas "the other team"

absolute shambles

Originally Posted by Stu (Post 11349697)

Fair enough, I totally respect that it's possible to have your sensitivities more alight by a certain angle/side.

My algorithm is the same in all honesty. I will say though that in Ireland pro-Palestine stances have always been symptomatic of our own history as a repressed, colonised nation. Even our centre-right leaders have condemned both Hamas and expressed extreme caution and concern at the magnitude of the IDF response in the last week or two. We've historically been vigilant of Netanyahu's regime overstepping international laws and being a grand-stage bully. This should not be conflated with anti-semitism or outright rejection of the Israeli state.

In very practical terms, condemning the Hamas atrocities whilst not picking 'Team Western' and instead actually airing vigilance, context and caution to the cyclic history of bloodshed and oppression that precipitated these atrocities to begin with would seem to me to be the most humane, actionable stance as it speaks to prevention rather than reaction. Prevention is possible, reaction is inevitable.

Pissing in the wind, as they say.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 11350903)

Every time you post a quote from wiki you look like a fool.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 11350961)

“If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more ‎violence. If the Jews put ‎down their weapons ‎today, there would be no ‎more Israel'‎”

Benjamin Netanyahu

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 11350961)

“If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more ‎violence."

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11351024)

If the Arabs put their weapons down, Palestine would cease to exist because Israel is hell bent on taking all the land there for itself because they don’t believe Arabs deserve to exist there.

Moral grandstanding from a war criminal is not exactly the best insight to follow

Originally Posted by Stu (Post 11350965)

I understand you have emotional resonance with this situation but almost every time you post in this thread, it's to insult somebody or let them know you don't want them to reply to you/won't be reading their responses. You do this whilst consciously (because you're doubtlessly clever) avoiding any posts clearly and cleanly articulating context you might not be comfortable with.

I'm not a lawyer and I don't suddenly expect you to stop doing this, but it feels helpful to address.

Anyway, there's a quick and easy low hanging fruit reply to this I'm sure that speaks to preferential genocide.