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rusticgal 13-03-2021 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11016730)
Nothing is "backfiring", no one's opinion is any different now to what it was before the interview, you only need to glance at this forum to know that. That was always going to be the case. Evidenced by those super special Royal Commentatorz giving their opinion on the content of the interview before they even saw it.


Its backfiring because their 'stories' are being disproved...their inconsistances are being exposed...

user104658 13-03-2021 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rusticgal (Post 11016738)
Its backfiring because their 'stories' are being disproved...their inconsistances are being exposed...

They aren't though - it may however appear that way to someone whose confirmation-bias is already that way inclined (in other words, they didn't believe them anyway) and that makes the "gotcha" proof irrelevant preaching-to-the-choir.

AnnieK 13-03-2021 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11016730)
Nothing is "backfiring", no one's opinion is any different now to what it was before the interview, you only need to glance at this forum to know that. That was always going to be the case. Evidenced by those super special Royal Commentatorz giving their opinion on the content of the interview before they even saw it.

I said this before the interview aired. I have spoken to no-one who has changed their views one iota.

LukeB 13-03-2021 01:11 PM

Wonder where's this same energy for Meghan making a 'vile accusation' is for Piers Morgan who made a vile and dangerous accusation or is it ok when it's towards Meghan :think:

jet 13-03-2021 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11016730)
Nothing is "backfiring", no one's opinion is any different now to what it was before the interview, you only need to glance at this forum to know that. That was always going to be the case. Evidenced by those super special Royal Commentatorz giving their opinion on the content of the interview before they even saw it.

I bet many have changed their opinion but they'll never admit it, certainly not the social media 'kween Meghan' sheep. :think:
In the quarters that matter, I've seen and read people whose opinions have definitely changed.

Tom4784 13-03-2021 01:18 PM

People are really blinded by their overwhelming confirmation bias. Like, these royal commentators were totally revealed to be full of **** and talking out of their arse regarding an interview they hadn't seen, but because they have negative views on Meghan Markle, her haters just ignore the facts and treat them like bastions of truth because these 'commentators' are telling them what they want to hear.

I could never tolerate that, I don't know how her haters could. I'd rather embrace reality.

user104658 13-03-2021 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 11016747)
I bet many have changed their opinion but they'll never admit it, certainly not the social media 'kween Meghan' sheep. :think:

How convenient :idc:


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In the quarters that matter
Who would that be then? Royal commentators? :joker:

Nicky91 13-03-2021 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 11016747)
I bet many have changed their opinion but they'll never admit it, certainly not the social media 'kween Meghan' sheep. :think:
In the quarters that matter, I've seen and read people whose opinions have definitely changed.

huh, Meghan has fans on social media

https://media.tenor.com/images/59945...ce5e/tenor.gif

Tom4784 13-03-2021 01:23 PM

'People really hate Meghan, but they'll never admit it because I said so.'

Good argument... The truth is not everyone is a slave to their confirmation bias. Some people can see the forest for the trees.

jet 13-03-2021 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rusticgal (Post 11016738)
Its backfiring because their 'stories' are being disproved...their inconsistances are being exposed...

Some don't need to explore these issues to make an informed decision because every word Meghan says is the truth Rusti... and none of her defenders have any of this confirmation bias at all! :hehe:

Jordan. 13-03-2021 01:26 PM

Daily Mail still desperately trying to poke holes in their interview when they should be issuing their front page apology? :conf:

jet 13-03-2021 01:26 PM

What about all those trips and holidays she had when she was 'trapped' eh? :smug:

Tom4784 13-03-2021 01:28 PM

There's a difference between hearing two sides of the story and choosing to believe one side, and googling negative articles about a hate figure to reaffirm that hatred while believing 'commentators' who have already shown themselves up by commenting on things they haven't seen just because they offer a hollow affirmation of that hate.

I don't think anyone that willingly believes lies because they like to be told what to hear can truly judge what the truth is.

jet 13-03-2021 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 11016760)
There's a difference between hearing two sides of the story and choosing to believe one side, and googling negative articles about a hate figure to reaffirm that hatred while believing 'commentators' who have already shown themselves up by commenting on things they haven't seen just because they offer a hollow affirmation of that hate.

I don't think anyone that willingly believes lies because they like to be told what to hear can truly judge what the truth is.

We've only heard one side of the story...and 3 of those 4 people weren't commentators, 2 were authors and one was a long retired press secretary to the Queen.

Tom4784 13-03-2021 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 11016758)
What about all those trips and holidays she had when she was 'trapped' eh? :smug:

A disingenuous response, and a strawman argument at that. You're choosing to take her feelings of being trapped as literal, that she's locked up in her room when that's not the case. It doesn't matter if she took no holidays or a thousand. She felt trapped by her position, it should be easy to understand for anyone.

I do hope that the people around you don't struggle with mental health issues, and see how you treat Meghan Markle with contempt for sharing her own issues. The lack of sympathy towards mental health can do more harm to those around you than you realise. Every time you doubt Meghan Markle when she speaks about her struggles, you're casting doubt on anyone who suffers from mental illness. You have no reason to doubt her, you don't know her, her mind, or her struggles but the people around you will see such hatred, and they likely won't be so forthcoming with their own issues if they see you treat someone so harshly for speaking their truth. Be mindful of others, Jet, when it comes to bashing someone for their mental health issues.

Tom4784 13-03-2021 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 11016761)
We've only heard one side of the story...and 3 of those 4 people weren't commentators, 2 were authors and one was a long retired press secretary to the Queen.

so four outsiders who don't truly know the workings of the family and have no knowledge to contextualise anything regarding their relationships, got it.

rusticgal 13-03-2021 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 11016743)
Wonder where's this same energy for Meghan making a 'vile accusation' is for Piers Morgan who made a vile and dangerous accusation or is it ok when it's towards Meghan :think:


Its equally bizarre that someone enjoying the right of her freedom of Speech complains when someone else does the same thing....

I dont like Piers Morgan...but he is entitled to his opinion like anyone else.

jet 13-03-2021 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 11016762)
A disingenuous response, and a strawman argument at that. You're choosing to take her feelings of being trapped as literal, that she's locked up in her room when that's not the case. It doesn't matter if she took no holidays or a thousand. She felt trapped by her position, it should be easy to understand for anyone.

I do hope that the people around you don't struggle with mental health issues, and see how you treat Meghan Markle with contempt for sharing her own issues. The lack of sympathy towards mental health can do more harm to those around you than you realise. Every time you doubt Meghan Markle when she speaks about her struggles, you're casting doubt on anyone who suffers from mental illness. You have no reason to doubt her, you don't know her, her mind, or her struggles but the people around you will see such hatred, and they likely won't be so forthcoming with their own issues if they see you treat someone so harshly for speaking their truth. Be mindful of others, Jet, when it comes to bashing someone for their mental health issues.

The conversation at the time was about Meghans passport and keys being taken away and not having the freedom to just go where she wanted to....
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The day Meghan joined the Royal Family was, she claimed, 'the last time, until we came here, that I saw my passport, my driver's licence, my keys. All that gets turned over'.Oprah responded to this revelation by depicting her as a sort of UK version of the incarcerated Dubai Princess Latifah:

'The way you're describing this . . . it's like you were trapped,' she said. ' . . .that would be an accurate interpretation, yes?'
Meghan responded: 'That's the truth.'

It was a very odd form of imprisonment then. For in the six months after her wedding, Meghan was able to use that passport to take at least four foreign holidays, in addition to official tours, visiting Italy, Canada, and Amsterdam, as well as embarking on a lengthy honeymoon.
In 2019, she visited Ibiza, France (staying chez Elton John), Italy (again) and New York twice: once for a lavish baby shower, and again to see her chum Serena Williams play in the U.S. Open.
Those were just the private jaunts. She also travelled on official business to South Africa, Australia, Fiji, New Zealand, Ireland, Germany and Morocco.

LukeB 13-03-2021 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rusticgal (Post 11016766)
Its equally bizarre that someone enjoying the right of her freedom of Speech complains when someone else does the same thing....

I dont like Piers Morgan...but he is entitled to his opinion like anyone else.

But no one is saying freedom of speech towards Meghan :think: but it's freedom of speech when Piers is bullying her and making dangerous accusations about her that could have harmed her or her baby or both. qwhite interesting. Just wondering where's the same energy if you're that bothered about vile accusations

jet 13-03-2021 01:46 PM

....and Dezzy, you are making a lot of assumptions there....show me a post where I said I doubted her mental health issues - even if I did, I wouldn't say so. I HAVE doubted very much that she was refused help, said so, and still do.
So get your facts right before you start lecturing people on things they haven't said.

Tom4784 13-03-2021 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rusticgal (Post 11016766)
Its equally bizarre that someone enjoying the right of her freedom of Speech complains when someone else does the same thing....

I dont like Piers Morgan...but he is entitled to his opinion like anyone else.

I'll be repeating this forever it seems. Freedom of speech is not a shield against criticism. Anyone can have their opinion and state it, and everyone else is free to react to it. Reacting to someone else's opinion is not an attack on their freedom of speech, because freedom of speech, as I always say, is a two way street. You can have an opinion on something, and so can everyone else, and they can comment on your views, just like you can comment on theirs'.

Crying about freedom of speech is just an attempt to shut down that right for other people.

rusticgal 13-03-2021 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 11016768)
But no one is saying freedom of speech towards Meghan :think: but it's freedom of speech when Piers is bullying her and making dangerous accusations about her that could have harmed her or her baby. qwhite interesting. Just wondering where's the same energy if you're that bothered about vile accusations


....harmed her baby? :facepalm:

What Dangerous accusations?....calling her a liar :shrug:

AnnieK 13-03-2021 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 11016756)
Some don't need to explore these issues to make an informed decision because every word Meghan says is the truth Rusti... and none of her defenders have any of this confirmation bias at all! :hehe:

That's a very unfair sweeping statement to make their Jet in all honesty. A lot of people are not invested in the Royals and so will not investigate...but that's not because they believe every word, they simply don't care and let it consume them. They have watched the interview, maybe something she said resonated with them, maybe not but they don't really care enough to fact check every little thing she said. They took what they needed from it and didn't feel the need to either canonise or demonise her. Making out out that people are wrong for their positive opinion of her is the same as people saying you are wrong for your negative opinion. Its a personal opinion and really no-one elses opinion should matter that much to anyone else

Tom4784 13-03-2021 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 11016767)
The conversation at the time was about Meghans passport and keys being taken away and not having the freedom to just go where she wanted to....
.................
The day Meghan joined the Royal Family was, she claimed, 'the last time, until we came here, that I saw my passport, my driver's licence, my keys. All that gets turned over'.Oprah responded to this revelation by depicting her as a sort of UK version of the incarcerated Dubai Princess Latifah:

'The way you're describing this . . . it's like you were trapped,' she said. ' . . .that would be an accurate interpretation, yes?'
Meghan responded: 'That's the truth.'

It was a very odd form of imprisonment then. For in the six months after her wedding, Meghan was able to use that passport to take at least four foreign holidays, in addition to official tours, visiting Italy, Canada, and Amsterdam, as well as embarking on a lengthy honeymoon.
In 2019, she visited Ibiza, France (staying chez Elton John), Italy (again) and New York twice: once for a lavish baby shower, and again to see her chum Serena Williams play in the U.S. Open.
Those were just the private jaunts. She also travelled on official business to South Africa, Australia, Fiji, New Zealand, Ireland, Germany and Morocco.

Again, disingenuous and a strawman argument. The meaning is clear, while she was performing royal duties, someone else had a say over her life. It doesn't matter if she took holidays or not when it was down to someone else whether she could go or not. That's what she obviously meant about being trapped, she didn't have the freedom to decide for herself unless she stepped back.

It's not really a hard concept to grasp.

LukeB 13-03-2021 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rusticgal (Post 11016771)
....harmed her baby? :facepalm:

What Dangerous accusations?....calling her a liar :shrug:

A lot of stress can harm the baby

I love the selective memory, yeah calling her a liar which includes her saying she felt suicidal.. that is so bloody dangerous and vile.


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