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AnnieK 30-05-2022 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11171502)
The events described WITHIN the trial are not the published statements that are the SUBJECT OF the trial. The libel claim is that it’s libel that she said she was in in the receiving end of domestic abuse from Depp.

Anything else is a straw man here. But this but that but she said in the trial etc etc etc

It’s irrelevant to whether or not what she wrote - and therefore what he is claiming to be libel - is libellous.

Her provoking him is irrelevant

Her hitting him also is irrelevant

Her laughing it irrelevant

Her imaginary smirking is irrelevant

The idea that she has to prove with concrete evidence anything that she says about him within the context of a trial is utterly ludicrous.

All that matters is one question;

Was there any abusive behaviour from Johnny Depp towards Amber Heard.

The answer from that video is yes.

Thus she should not be found guilty of libel for saying so in an article.

That’s the whole case, the rest is (deliberate perhaps?) distraction and nothing more.
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I can't quite understand why people aren't getting this. I do think that people are treating this as a criminal trial when it is a civil case. She was in an abusive relationship.....whether that abuse was reciprocated is by the by....if he abused her and she abused him.....he was still an abuser and as such she didn't lie about that

Zizu 30-05-2022 08:03 PM
Anyone following the Amber and Johnny trial?
 
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11171506)
And how would she know “what buttons to press to get him to lose his temper” Zizu? Unless he’s a man who often loses his temper?

I find the number of people making excuses for men aggressively losing their temper quite awful, to be honest. “He was provoked”. He was a man in his 50’s, not a teenager. He should be in control of his temper and if he’s not that is NO ONE’S responsibility but his own.

When you’ve lived with someone for even a short while you soon learn what things to say or what not to say and when to keep quiet .. she knew that he’d react to the drinking comment .


As soon as she noticed he was annoyed and slamming cupboard doors .. the normal reaction would be to leave things be , move to another room and let things calm down .

It’s not normal to keep prodding ( verbally) then question his drinking just as he filled a glass of wine up .

I just think she was prodding the tiger through the cage bars until it lashed out .

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AnnieK 30-05-2022 08:09 PM
If Amber was your daughter Zizu...would you think she was "pushing his buttons" or would you worry about her safety with a man that loses control like that? Would you disregard feelings because she reached a point where she actually questioned his drinking in a morning and tell her she knew that would piss him off so his reaction was justified?

Zizu 30-05-2022 08:12 PM
Anyone following the Amber and Johnny trial?
 
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Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 11171512)
If Amber was your daughter Zizu...would you think she was "pushing his buttons" or would you worry about her safety with a man that loses control like that? Would you disregard feelings because she reached a point where she actually questioned his drinking in a morning and tell her she knew that would piss him off??

I would hope she’d have the sense to keep away from him until he’d calmed down or even come home to us for a short while .

Not constantly try and get him to react whilst filming it all


He presumably snapped at the end when he realised she had set him up .

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GoldHeart 30-05-2022 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11171371)
The thing that concerns me most is the number of people saying, "well wouldn't you react the same if your wife tried to film you". No I would not.

He was already being nasty and then he got properly angry when he realised he was being filmed, that's clearly a panic response because he thought "oh no, I can't hide it if I'm on camera doing it". Turns out no one cares and will just do backflips making excuses for it anyway :shrug:.
Out of curiosity TS ,how would you react if your wife filmed you having a mental breakdown? .

I don't know if I have my dates mixed up ,but hadn't he just lost his mother aswell?. Either way he was clearly in a very bad place psychologically whatever you think of him.

And trying to grab someone's phone is NOT violent, plus she Still had her phone when the video ended. He never actually took her phone off her . She looks at the camera and it ends. She was actually grinning aswell according to TMZ but I think that's edited out .

Beso 30-05-2022 08:20 PM
Not the mental breakdown excuse for the fragile little sausage....awww poor him...

AnnieK 30-05-2022 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11171514)
I would hope she’d have the sense to keep away from him until he’d calmed down or even come home to us for a short while .

Not constantly try and get him to react whilst filming it all


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Come home for a short while? If that was my kid and I saw that kind of footage, I wouldn't want them any near them ever again. Someone who can lose their cool to that extent once will do it again. Letting them cool down only puts off the inevitable next kick off

Beso 30-05-2022 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ThomasC (Post 11171478)
What are you looking for exactly?
The evidence you claim to have in abundance that proves he is a non violent addict.

AnnieK 30-05-2022 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 11171515)
Out of curiosity TS ,how would you react if your wife filmed you having a mental breakdown? .

I don't know if I have my dates mixed up ,but hadn't he just lost his mother aswell?. Either way he was clearly in a very bad place psychologically whatever you think of him.

And trying to grab someone's phone is NOT violent, plus she Still had her phone when the video ended. He never actually took her phone off her . She looks at the camera and it ends. She was actually grinning aswell according to TMZ but I think that's edited out .
Mental breakdown? What mental breakdown? That's a drunk angry man in the video....he's completely aware of what he is doing

Zizu 30-05-2022 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 11171521)
Mental breakdown? What mental breakdown? That's a drunk angry man in the video....he's completely aware of what he is doing

How can he be aware of what he’s doing if he’s drunk and angry ??


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Beso 30-05-2022 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11171522)
How can he be aware of what he’s doing if he’s drunk and angry ??


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Or remember what hes done.:shrug:

AnnieK 30-05-2022 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11171522)
How can he be aware of what he’s doing if he’s drunk and angry ??


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What?? Are you serious? He is able to speak quite clearly, he is able to pour another drink without spilling a drop, he is able.to spot a phone filming and grab it. How is he unaware? Would you excuse him getting in a car in that state because he wasn't aware what he was doing because he was drunk and angry?

GoldHeart 30-05-2022 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 11171521)
Mental breakdown? What mental breakdown? That's a drunk angry man in the video....he's completely aware of what he is doing
Like I said not sure if I misspoke but hadn't JD's mother died aswell? . Plus he had his issues & addiction problems,he never denied this.

AH also got angry & drunk ,she sounds slurred / wasted on some of the audio clips .

Nobody is condoning him banging/ smashing up his kitchen, yes it's aggressive behaviour .

But it's his kitchen & we never actually saw him lay a finger on AH, whichever way you look at it . So I can't agree with you Annie I'm afraid :shrug: .

AnnieK 30-05-2022 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 11171528)
Like I said not sure if I misspoke but hadn't JD's mother died aswell? . Plus he had his issues & addiction problems,he never denied this.

AH also got angry & drunk ,she sounds slurred / wasted on some of the audio clips .

Nobody is condoning him banging/ smashing up his kitchen, yes it's aggressive behaviour .

But it's his kitchen & we never actually saw him lay a finger on AH, whichever way you look at it . So I can't agree with you Annie I'm afraid :shrug: .
I am judging on that clip alone, I haven't seen others.

I am drawing on my own experiences...having lived with someone with similar addiction and mental health issues I will tell you that the slamming cupboards and.smashing **** is terrifying and absolutely abusive.

Zizu 30-05-2022 08:57 PM
Anyone following the Amber and Johnny trial?
 
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Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 11171525)
What?? Are you serious? He is able to speak quite clearly, he is able to pour another drink without spilling a drop, he is able.to spot a phone filming and grab it. How is he unaware? Would you excuse him getting in a car in that state because he wasn't aware what he was doing because he was drunk and angry?
I’m not excusing anything


You can’t say he’s drunk and angry but then say he’s aware of what he’s doing .. is my point


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Zizu 30-05-2022 08:59 PM
Anyone following the Amber and Johnny trial?
 
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Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 11171529)
I am judging on that clip alone, I haven't seen others.

I am drawing on my own experiences...having lived with someone with similar addiction and mental health issues I will tell you that the slamming cupboards and.smashing **** is terrifying and absolutely abusive.

Did you stay in the room and constantly tried to annoy them or did you get away from the situation though ??


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user104658 30-05-2022 09:01 PM
Again people are trying to propose mitigating circumstances- it doesn’t matter if you find his actions completely understandable or justifiable. It’s not a criminal trial against Johnny Depp. It’s a libel case against Amber Heard. None of it actually matters in the slightest.

If you think he’s had his buttons pushed and Him snapping is understandable, then you’re entitled to that opinion, and you can feel sympathy for him if you want, no one is going to stop you feeling that way. You can be totally on his side and think Amber Heard is the devil. In fact she could even be LITERALLY satan come to walk the earth…

… but her saying she experienced abuse from him still isn’t libel.

user104658 30-05-2022 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11171531)
Did you stay in the room and constantly tried to annoy them or did you get away from the situation though ??


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So the abuse she got (the threats and name calling) is her own fault because she stupidly didn’t get away from the angry man when he was getting aggressive?

Ffs.

Gross. And even if it wasn’t. STILL doesn’t make her OpEd article libel.

AnnieK 30-05-2022 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11171530)
You can’t say he’s drunk and angry but then say he’s aware of what he’s doing .. is my point


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I absolutely can. He's completely aware of his surroundings......but is drunk and angry. He spots the.phone, he doesn't spill the wine but is still drunk and angry.....how is not aware. And even is si, how is that an excuse

user104658 30-05-2022 09:05 PM
I honestly thought I’d seen it all on here… but here we are, arguing that it’s OK for a man to abuse his partner if he’s drunk and she doesn’t run away fast enough. I think my brain is starting to dribble out of my ears.

AnnieK 30-05-2022 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11171531)
Did you stay in the room and constantly tried to annoy them or did you get away from the situation though ??


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Oh I stayed in the room. I dodged the glasses thrown at me....I filmed him to show him when he was sober how he acted, I tried to reason, goad and beg. Does that make what he did justified??

I left when he picked me and our son up in a car and got done for drink driving. He was that good at hiding it from me and I was that beaten by then that everything was autopilot I.didn't even realise that he was over the limit

Am I a victim...hell yeah...will I ever let anyone see that....**** no

AnnieK 30-05-2022 09:11 PM
This is more than I have ever revealed on here...I may delete a lot of this but this os how strongly I feel about normalising and justifying a drunk abusive man....just because he is famous and pretty

Niamh. 30-05-2022 09:18 PM
Sorry to read all that Annie, I'm glad you got away from him [emoji3590]

GoldHeart 30-05-2022 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11171531)
Did you stay in the room and constantly tried to annoy them or did you get away from the situation though ??


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Well I personally would encourage them to sober up with water & coffee. The last thing on my mind would be to record them & laugh about it .

And I'd try & calm him down & then let him cool off in another room , mental issues & addiction shouldn't be exploited.

AnnieK 30-05-2022 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 11171541)
Well I personally would encourage them to sober up with water & coffee. The last thing on my mind would be to record them & laugh about it .

And I'd try & calm him down & then let him cool off in another room , mental issues & addiction shouldn't be exploited.
With all due respect, all that tells me is you've never experienced anything similar. If Amber had offered Johnny coffee at that point...that would have antagonised it further


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