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Lostie! 21-02-2017 03:12 PM

I wish Frank Darabont was never fired, it's hard not to think about what path the show would have taken had he stuck around. Andrea's story in season 3, for example, would likely have been completely different.

Laurie Holden is pretty vocal about her disappointment in what they did to Andrea.

Firewire 21-02-2017 03:13 PM

They really did the dirty on Darabont which is a shame. I hope he wins the court case.

Cal. 21-02-2017 03:13 PM

I get that it's a fast paced show and they want it to be like the comics in the sense that there's a high character turnover but I honestly think they killed people off too quickly in the first few seasons. I'm not sure if that's going to be an unpopular opinion or not.

Babayaro. 21-02-2017 03:14 PM

Andrea was trash

Firewire 21-02-2017 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cal. (Post 9226383)
Apparently Glenn Mazzara thought the character had been miscasted from the off.

The actress said Andrea was meant to survive until season 8 at least and was to be the one who saved the residents of Woodbury but they called her and told her the scripts weren't writing very well for that story so they were going to kill Andrea off instead.

Sad because I thought Andrea was great and the actress played her well.

Yeah, Robert Kirkman didn't want her to die since she still is alive in the comics.

I think Gimple had to re-write the finale to give her a better send off which resulted in Mazzara leaving the show

Cal. 21-02-2017 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 9226386)
I wish Frank Darabont was never fired, it's hard not to think about what path the show would have taken had he stuck around. Andrea's story in season 3, for example, would likely have been completely different.

Laurie Holden is pretty vocal about her disappointment in what they did to Andrea.

I would be too. I know they don't have to follow the comics and everything but to be promised such a big character with longevity and then getting killed off in one of the early seasons must be pretty suckish.

Firewire 21-02-2017 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cal. (Post 9226393)
I get that it's a fast paced show and they want it to be like the comics in the sense that there's a high character turnover but I honestly think they killed people off too quickly in the first few seasons. I'm not sure if that's going to be an unpopular opinion or not.

I agree, Shane and Andrea should never have died so soon.

I think Lori's death mattered and makes sense, though.

Cal. 21-02-2017 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 9226396)
Yeah, Robert Kirkman didn't want her to die since she still is alive in the comics.

I think Gimple had to re-write the finale to give her a better send off which resulted in Mazzara leaving the show

Ugh I wish the show was being run by someone who liked the character at that point.

I remember being shocked by her death when it first aired just because the situation seemed so relaxed and it just seemed inevitable she would get out of it until they revealed she'd been bit. </3

Cal. 21-02-2017 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 9226404)
I agree, Shane and Andrea should never have died so soon.

I think Lori's death mattered and makes sense, though.

I completely agree with that.

It's shocking they were originally going to kill Carol off along with Lori too. I think they were getting way too ahead of themselves.

Firewire 21-02-2017 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cal. (Post 9226412)
I completely agree with that.

It's shocking they were originally going to kill Carol off along with Lori too. I think they were getting way too ahead of themselves.

I think Shane left because Jon Bernthal was unhappy that Frank Darabont was fired and the same goes for them killing off Dale

I'm glad Carol is still there, considering she was a textbook season two death her story arc has been amazing

Lostie! 21-02-2017 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 9226392)
They really did the dirty on Darabont which is a shame. I hope he wins the court case.

His firing was the reason Jeffrey DeMunn (Dale) left too wasn't it? Another who died sooner than they were supposed to because of outside influences :(

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Originally Posted by Cal. (Post 9226393)
I get that it's a fast paced show and they want it to be like the comics in the sense that there's a high character turnover but I honestly think they killed people off too quickly in the first few seasons. I'm not sure if that's going to be an unpopular opinion or not.

I'm torn on that. I do think they got a little lax with significant deaths over the sixth season (and things like the fakeout with Glenn didn't help matters) and the sense of nobody other than Rick and Carl being safe that the first few seasons had was always one of my favourite things about the show. Having Negan kill two instead of one brought back some of that vibe and hopefully that uncertainty about characters' safety continues again. That said, Andrea's death was just too last minute and came after a really unsatisfactory story for the character so it didn't have the desired effect and instead just left a bad taste.

Still maintain that Negan should have killed Daryl though and I'll always have a level of irritation with the show while he's around being overexposed and annoying.

Cal. 21-02-2017 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 9226421)
I think Shane left because Jon Bernthal was unhappy that Frank Darabont was fired and the same goes for them killing off Dale

I'm glad Carol is still there, considering she was a textbook season two death her story arc has been amazing

It's weird because I never even considered that the characters are killed off because the actor quits in The Walking Dead, I just assumed they're all told they can get killed off whenever and are all happy to just get written out when the time comes. :laugh:

The thought has never crossed my mind since 2011/2012 that Joe Bernthal or Jeffery DeMunn would have quit. I thought a lot of fans were upset that Shane lived so long anyway because he dies in Atlanta in the comics and that I would have been one of the odd ones out in wishing he'd lived longer than he did in the show.

Firewire 21-02-2017 03:27 PM

I agree about the lack of significant deaths, seasons five and six killed off characters that didn't really matter (so their deaths were kind of unimportant)

At least with Glenn and Abraham it was shocking and it sort of feels like any of them could die any minute.

But I don't really like how Rick, Carl, Daryl, Carol and Michonne are invincible because their scenes of danger aren't really that exciting.

Firewire 21-02-2017 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cal. (Post 9226433)
It's weird because I never even considered that the characters are killed off because the actor quits in The Walking Dead, I just assumed they're all told they can get killed off whenever and are all happy to just get written out when the time comes. :laugh:

The thought has never crossed my mind since 2011/2012 that Joe Bernthal or Jeffery DeMunn would have quit. I thought a lot of fans were upset that Shane lived so long anyway because he dies in Atlanta in the comics and that I would have been one of the odd ones out in wishing he'd lived longer than he did in the show.

I think they ruined Shane in the writing. He had so much potential and I honestly think if he was still alive the dynamic between himself and Rick would be so good.

Firewire 21-02-2017 03:29 PM

I think the angel vs devil leadership is needed, Rick is too level-headed but doesn't take risks.

Cal. 21-02-2017 03:31 PM

Yeah I know people think season 2 is too slow for TWD but I really enjoyed the dynamic Rick and Shane's different leaderships brought and the moral dilemmas that the group faced because of it, such as the barn full of walkers/wanting to respect Hershel's beliefs and what they should do with Randall the prisoner.

Cal. 21-02-2017 03:33 PM

In regards to Carol, I remember being a hardcore Carol fan on some TWD forum back in like 2012/2013 and all the members were so puzzled because from what I've read she's kind of a dumb slag in the comics and they were all so certain she wasn't going to survive the prison in the TV show. :laugh:

Well http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/a...fs/286s74x.gif

Lostie! 21-02-2017 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 9226438)
But I don't really like how Rick, Carl, Daryl, Carol and Michonne are invincible because their scenes of danger aren't really that exciting.

Yeah I agree. And as much as I love Carol, things like her one-woman assault on Terminus highlight one of my issues, when they try to make certain characters too badass. It's fanservice, they did it with Daryl because he's hugely popular and then it extended to Carol.

Her character arc has been phenomenal but she doesn't need to be causing huge explosions and being presented like an unstoppable war machine to maintain that, it's overplaying it too much. The gold of her arc has been in the subtle progression of her personality (and they highlight it perfectly when she puts on the facade of her earlier self). Her transition from meek abused wife to cold, aloof pragmatist has been amazing, especially when I think everyone had her marked down as a guaranteed early death in the first couple of seasons. But I don't ever want to feel like she's untouchable because if a show like this wants to maintain its stakes, nobody should be.

Speaking of her character development, season 3 cut out a brilliant scene where she threatened to kill Merle in his sleep if he tries anything :joker:

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Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 9226441)
I think they ruined Shane in the writing. He had so much potential and I honestly think if he was still alive the dynamic between himself and Rick would be so good.

Shane's descent is one of my favourite character arcs tbh and as much as he was one of my favourite characters, I do think it reached its natural conclusion. That said, having him leave rather than die then re-appear later would have been interesting.
Spoiler:

I could see him as part of the Whisperers, still haven't read much of the comics yet but from what I know about them they seem to have an ideology that seems like a more extreme extension of what he was sliding into and I could see him adopting their ways, especially after spending longer out in the wilderness alone. Although I can't see him adapting to their organized hierarchy well since he always wanted to be in charge :laugh:

Yes I know having him reappear anywhere near his old group after so long when they're not even in the same area anymore would have been unrealistic but I'd overlook it :pipe:


*details about a future arc in the comics in the spoiler tag*

Cal. 21-02-2017 03:55 PM

What are the best seasons?

I watched season 1-season 3 back when I was a big fan in 2012/2013. I lost interest in season 4 and I barely watched season 5. The last episode I fully watched was when the police officer shot and killed Beth. I think that was season 5.

Cherie 21-02-2017 04:06 PM

Considering Glenn and Abraham were killed off in the first ep, this series feels like nothing has happened :worry:

Amy Jade 21-02-2017 06:28 PM

http://metro.co.uk/2016/10/31/maria-...eight-6224678/

Maria Bello has a role in season 8 :love:

Natalie. 21-02-2017 07:09 PM

They should have had Shane go off and come back later on, shouldn't have got rid of Andrea and should have killed off Daryl in the line up in my opinion

I loved Andrea and Michonne's friendship :love:

I'm going to start from season 1 when season 7 ends, forgot a lot of stuff

Cal. 22-02-2017 12:52 PM

On the final episode of season 3. Andrea :(

Niamh. 22-02-2017 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cal. (Post 9226383)
Apparently Glenn Mazzara thought the character had been miscasted from the off.

The actress said Andrea was meant to survive until season 8 at least and was to be the one who saved the residents of Woodbury but they called her and told her the scripts weren't writing very well for that story so they were going to kill Andrea off instead.

Sad because I thought Andrea was great and the actress played her well.

She was my favourite character (well joint favourite with Shane) until Season 3, they ruined her after that and then killed her before she could redeem herself :(

Niamh. 22-02-2017 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cal. (Post 9226445)
Yeah I know people think season 2 is too slow for TWD but I really enjoyed the dynamic Rick and Shane's different leaderships brought and the moral dilemmas that the group faced because of it, such as the barn full of walkers/wanting to respect Hershel's beliefs and what they should do with Randall the prisoner.

Season 2 was my favourite season


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