This issue seriously does supercede all hm squabbles.
Can I APPEAL to MTVN and all other Dave defenders to watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNGPA6Idopg

Jackpot Joy ... oi oi oi ...

Only joking ... it brought back some 'oi oi oi' memories because I worked on that commercial ...

This John Crowder raving really is good old fashioned common or garden 'heresy' ... and it makes one realise why it was always viewed as such a terrible and wicked thing ... this ranting seems positively demonic ...

I don't think I have seen many things more sinister than this clip in my life ... :devil:

If the usual suspects write this one off once again as 'just harmless high spirits' delivered by an amusing sort of a bloke then I shall write off the human race ... :cloud:

What a load complete rubbish, it is clear it is a scam Conning people.

I mean come on who the hell can't see this...complete disgrace..:mad:

It is pretty loathsome stuff, isn't it Honeydew ... ? :shocked:

I wonder if anyone can find a link to the video where Crowder is in Wales with Dave (dates back some time) ... they are sitting on a sofa in a modern hotel ... and Dave is simply parrotting after Crowder ... same words ... same intonation ... trying to get the same accent too ...

When I saw it in the summer I was flabbergasted ... and suddenly the shambolic and revolting Dave creature was understandable ... at last, I 'had his number' ...

It explains everything ... this is a revelation ... it shows the 'franchise' in operation ... it is Dave's living ... no more and no less than that ...

Well ... as they say in 'show business' ... it certainly 'beats working' ... ! :conf: :shocked: :dance: :devil:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6zp3Ha1njo

Is this it UV? Here we have claims of Muslims and homosexuals relinquishing themselves to Jesus, along with the claim that a broken foot was healed on the spot. And, of course, at the end, the sales pitch and the hard sell.

Here you go MTVN, this is how they make the money - have a look.

Genius, Pats ... you found it ... the very one ... clever clever clever you ...

I defy ANYONE to play this through and come away feeling that these vile creatures are anything other than very BAD NEWS indeed ...

(vomit icons - many MANY times over ... ) :nono::nono::nono::nono::nono:

Are you saying what Dave is doing is bad because of heresy and deviating from 'true religion' then? The person that made that video criticising Dave's thing seems to be someone who themself is a religious fundamentalist. Someone that takes the Bible ultra-literally.

And don't want to offend or anything but I found the preacher guy in it quite comical really. 'Yoy Yoy Yoy' lol. It just seems to be some brand of Christian-New Age hybrid. He wasn't exactly being coherent. I don't see why people are taking it seriously. If you saw a drunk politician trying to give a speech on, say, how to run the economy you wouldn't think it had much credibility would you?

I watched the video to watch Crowder. I thought it was superfluous to point out the bias of the edit - it being that bloody obvious. And no, I don't think Crowder has any credibility, but it's not people like me we should be worred about, is it?

Comical ... ?

You canNOT be serious ... ?

No more to say on that one then ... :xyxwave:

Perhaps the next one with Vaughan and Crowder snuggled on the sofas will amuse you too ... all a good laugh, eh?

Why not google Jonestown in Guyana ... see how many people drank that Kool-Aid ... always a good giggle, I find ...

Also, James, take a look at the most recent video posted above; now, if this cretin hadn't been on BB I wouldn't give two hoots.
However, Ch4 for some inexplicable reason decided to actively pursue him and grant him a platform for this shoite. Then, this weekend, teenagers flocked to Gloryfester to catch a glimpse of Pepper and JJ. All because the producers of a TV show thought, much like yourself I'm assuming, hey, it's all just a bit of harmless fun. It's not, IMO. It's dangerous, exploitative and potentially mentally damaging for the very vulnerable and the extremely naive. I'm simply one of many people endeavouring to ensure that anyone who is interested is armed with the facts in relation to that utter, utter idiot, Dave.

Nah doesnt change my opinion of Dave at all I'm afraid. The only thing that has angered me is that I just wasted 10 minutes watching that load of crap. That was just Dave rambling on about the glory, do I believe everything he said? No, of course not, but it doesnt bother me that he said it.

That was no different to any other program they show on those God channels, it's people going on about how great God is and why shouldnt they? Noone is forced to watch that and they have paid and produced it themselves. That bit at the end was bog-standard advertising. As I said, no different to any other preacher or God channel, they're advertising their products, money doesnt grown on tress you know.

OK ... well you have made it well and truly clear the way in which you look at the world ... so that is that ... for you ...

But many many other people are deeply nonplussed that Channel 4 gave free and unlimited airtime (on live feed) to a fraud/horror story like Dave Vaughan

The worst of it being that he was TOTALLY protected in all the highlights shows with NONE of his real awfulness ever being presented to a public who laboured under the illusion that he was a harmless and amusing eccentric

Whether you go along with the above description of Dave or not, a lot of discriminating viewers were given the heebeejeebees when they saw what Dave was actually all about ...

Not good ... truly ... NOT good at all ...

Also very hard to fathom how/why it happened ... which somehow makes it much much worse ...

:devil:

So we should encourage egotistical no-mark twats who have fan-girl followings because of reality TV to actively encourage teenagers to attend events where people fall down 'drunk' on the 'glory' - and then get actually pissed at the bar; before heading off for another Carribean cruise paid for by their parents' credit cards? Just in case you missed this earlier - if this cretin hadn't been on BB I wouldn't give two hoots.
However, Ch4 for some inexplicable reason decided to actively pursue him and grant him a platform for this shoite. Then, this weekend, teenagers flocked to Gloryfester to catch a glimpse of Pepper and JJ. All because the producers of a TV show thought, much like yourself I'm assuming, hey, it's all just a bit of harmless fun. It's not, IMO. It's dangerous, exploitative and potentially mentally damaging for the very vulnerable and the extremely naive. I'm simply one of many people endeavouring to ensure that anyone who is interested is armed with the facts in relation to that utter, utter idiot, Dave.

Turn on any God/Religious channel right now and I can gurantee you it wont be much different than that clip of Dave

Whenever you cut 24 hours down to an hour of highlights a lot will be left out. Dave was chosen because he was a complete oddball, I dont believe there was any conspiracy there. Why shouldnt he have been shown on live feed, because you diagree because his religous beliefs? People can make up their own mind on that, they dont need you to protect them from themselves. Most will see it and think "What a moron", and his views hold no credibility with the vast majority. You're just making a storm in a teacup here/

Did you watch Live Feed? Did you clock the edits which he got ... and what was omitted?

I ask this in genuine curiosity ...

Once more - what is out there ( and there is a load of it in the US - and it does a lot of harm ) is neither here nor there - as it is NOT ON BIG BROTHER

That is the crux of the matter ... this is a BIG BROTHER FORUM

Capisce ... ?

Well come on it does not take much to look at evidence..!!!!

Glory bull**** a complete CON. Dave is a con man ..

The sadest thing this the publicity the (B****d )got , on youbtube got him in to the Big Brother house , it was sheer publiicy and PEJ WERE not aware of. :conf:

He will continue doing as Long as he can get away with it . I have seen the vidoes on Youtube ON HIS WHEELCHAIR . complete deceiving man.:sleep: