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jet 17-10-2011 12:03 PM
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It is extremely unprofessional to use one's so called expertise to label someone as a closet gay just because he flippantly said he had not had sex for 7 years
Firstly, I am not being paid here to give professional opinions. It’s a MB, and I’ll give my opinion within the rules whether you like it or not.
Secondly, nowhere did I say that I based my opinion of Aaron being closeted on his not having had sex for 7 years.

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To further compound that by suggesting he has mental health issues leads me to conclude that there is a belief by some on this forum that homosexuality is considered to be a mental ailment.
Don’t be ridiculous. You are the only person whose mind that even crossed, I’m sure.

chuff me dizzy 17-10-2011 12:06 PM
And your problem with this is ? ...............

alex_front2 17-10-2011 12:08 PM
I think one of the reasons why people refuse to believe the 7 year abstinence is because's a decent looking, smart guy who won't exactly struggle to get women into bed. Not sure if I believe, but it's getting everyone talking about him both in and out of the house. AND HE KNOWS THIS.

fruit_cake 17-10-2011 12:10 PM
I believe him, he stays at home playing chess all the time

psychtracker 17-10-2011 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jet (Post 4660238)
No - one, including myself, can accurately diagnose mental health problems without actually spending time with the person in question.
So, effectively you're saying your comments and assessments on this thread may be completely inaccurate?

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 4660238)
Giving opinions on what I see on my TV screen based on my own experiences is no different from a layman giving an opinion based on their experiences.
Agreed.

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 4660238)
From the very little I know about Aaron, I think he may be a closeted gay, so this influences my assessment of him. I don't think all of his issues are a result of that.
You actually said on a previous comment that he is gay, quote he's a closeted gay who despises himself for the feelings he has. That's why he is so uptight.. I don't get this obsession with his sexuality. From a "lay" perspective, i get suspicious of people who seem hell bent on making assumptions, and broadcasting their thoughts on other people's sexuality with minimal evidence. It seriously makes me question if the person making these assumptions is actually a closet gay themselves.

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 4660238)
just my opinion given on a MB where I come to for a little light hearted enjoyment. Just like everyone else.
If you're coming here for lighthearted enjoyment, you're probably not gonna get it, if open up your comments by saying a HM has mental problems and you're in a position to comment on that, because you're mental health professional.

Kazanne 17-10-2011 12:15 PM
I understand now why a few on here dislike him,they take him at his every word,not knowing when, he is serious or joking,it's his dry wit,so they have him completely wrong,he has left everyone completely baffled and has us talking about him,he's a very clever man and i have a sneaky feeling that the Aaron on the outside is much more of a joker than anyone realises,i feel when he looks back at this he will be doubled up laughing at how some people have fallen for it.Genius Aaron.

fruit_cake 17-10-2011 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by kazanne (Post 4660388)
i have a sneaky feeling that the Aaron on the outside is much more of a joker than anyone realises,i feel when he looks back at this he will be doubled up laughing at how some people have fallen for it.Genius Aaron.
he deserves an oscar if that's true.

Cherie 17-10-2011 12:21 PM
Maybe we should start a thread about a 19 year old with 49 women under his belt if you will pardon the pun, and stretch the imagination to believe it....or a 27 year old with a 1,000...or a guy who says he has had sex on a nightclub floor.....geez where the respect or indeed normality in that! I dont believe Aaron has not had sex for 7 years, neither do I believe its "normal" for men to boast about their conquests, to their mates perhaps yes but to other women and men he doesnt even know on a reality game show, nothing is normal!

Cherie 17-10-2011 12:24 PM
I agree Kazanne alot of what Aaron does is done with a mischiveious twinkle, I dont doubt he gets proper annoyed about things, but as many previous HMs will vouch for, its the little things that get you in there, I think alot of the stuff he says should be taken with a massive pinch of salt, after all does anyone really believe Jay has had 1,000 birds....? so why are you so sure Aaron is telling the truth...he is not part of the woolpack after all and makes a point of doing the opposite to what they are doing.

Patricia4 17-10-2011 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by kazanne (Post 4660388)
I understand now why a few on here dislike him,they take him at his every word,not knowing when, he is serious or joking,it's his dry wit,so they have him completely wrong,he has left everyone completely baffled and has us talking about him,he's a very clever man and i have a sneaky feeling that the Aaron on the outside is much more of a joker than anyone realises,i feel when he looks back at this he will be doubled up laughing at how some people have fallen for it.Genius Aaron.
He's the best his dry wit I like.

psychtracker 17-10-2011 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 4660317)
I feel It is extremely unprofessional to use one's so called expertise to label someone as a closet gay just because he flippantly said he had not had sex for 7 years, especially since his actions in the house appear contradictory. In fact in MY professional opinion I have seen absolutey nothing to suggest he is closet gay and can only assume that this accusation is based on stereotypical views of what gay men are like, ie it has been mentioned more than once that Aaron has slightly camp mannerisms. "Camp" is synonymous in some peoples' minds with effeminate, prissy, over sensitive etc.

To further compound that by suggesting he has mental health issues leads me to conclude that there is a belief by some on this forum that homosexuality is considered to be a mental ailment?:confused: If that is the case, it is an astoundingly sweeping and ignorant generalisation to make.
Furthermore, you cannot possibly form such a diagnosis from such a short, brutally edited version of events.

I, too, come on this forum for light hearted enjoyment, but I cannot let such offensive and bigoted views go without comment and if someone is going to come on here and play the "professional" card, then they need to back it up with proper clinical evaluation and evidence which, of course, is not possible.
Instead we are all of us left with the judgments we make about others based on what facts we are given, and the interesting point in all of this is the very different perspectives people have about others' behaviours, which are naturally based on one's own personal life experiences, values etc. That is the fascination of BB for me, watching the interactions between very different people and making value judgments based on those interactions, as to whom we like or dislike.
I totally AGREE...that's exactly what i've been thinking whilst contributing to this thread, but haven't been able to put it as eloquently and concisely as you have just done.

jet 17-10-2011 12:39 PM
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So, effectively you're saying your comments and assessments on this thread may be completely inaccurate?
Of course - just like anyone else’s. I am not employed here to give a professional opinion. I’m giving my opinion based on my own experiences (which includes working with gay youths). If I was employed professionally I would have to have many sessions with a person before coming to any conclusion. Do you expect me not to post my opinions here because I have not had seen Aaron in a professional capacity?

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You actually said on a previous comment that he is gay, quote he's a closeted gay who despises himself for the feelings he has. That's why he is so uptight.. I don't get this obsession with his sexuality. From a "lay" perspective, i get suspicious of people who seem hell bent on making assumptions, and broadcasting their thoughts on other people's sexuality with minimal evidence. It seriously makes me question if the person making these assumptions is actually a closet gay themselves.
I don’t get this obsession with his sexuality either. I have pointed out previously that some of his issues may be the result of other things. I find him interesting - whatever the reasons.
Assumptions are being made about ALL the HM’s - many with no basis in fact whatsoever. Other HM’s are being criticized and called names by posters, in some cases very cruelly - much worse that any opinion I have made of Aaron. Are you lecturing them also? Why should Aaron be any different?
Perhaps a moderator could put me right on which opinions I am allowed to have and those I am not?
For the record, I am happily married man with children. If I was gay, I would be proud to say so.

jet 17-10-2011 12:52 PM
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To further compound that by suggesting he has mental health issues leads me to conclude that there is a belief by some on this forum that homosexuality is considered to be a mental ailment?
I would be interested to know why you have come to that belief, and of whom you are referring to?


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I cannot let such offensive and bigoted views go without comment
Which offensive and bigoted views were they?

You have implied that I (and maybe some others) have homophobic and bigoted views with no good reason. Perhaps you could explain why you have made such serious allegations. Meanwhile, I have reported your post.

alex_front2 17-10-2011 01:19 PM
I think speculating on Aaron's mental health is futile and a bit degrading. Unless we know for a fact with a diagnosis then it's quite tasteless. I joke that Jay is an uncontrollable psycho, but the fact is I don't know.

psychtracker 17-10-2011 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jet (Post 4660431)
Of course - just like anyone else’s. I am not employed here to give a professional opinion. I’m giving my opinion based on my own experiences (which includes working with gay youths). If I was employed professionally I would have to have many sessions with a person before coming to any conclusion. Do you expect me not to post my opinions here because I have not had seen Aaron in a professional capacity?
I just find it a bit perplexing that you can make some rather brash and unfounded comments, and then vindicate them by stating you're a professional in mental health. Which in effect is saying - you're the expert here, and you know best.

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Assumptions are being made about ALL the HM’s - many with no basis in fact whatsoever. Other HM’s are being criticized and called names by posters, in some cases very cruelly - much worse that any opinion I have made of Aaron. Are you lecturing them also? Why should Aaron be any different?
It doesn't matter to me which housemate a topic is concerning, if i read what i consider to be dodgy comments, it's my right to offer a counter argument.

Livia 17-10-2011 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jet (Post 4659825)
I think he has mental problems, yes. I'm in a position to comment on that, as mental health is my profession.
You've quite clearly stated here that your comment was made in your capacity as a "mental health professional". You say "I am in a position to comment on that..." because of your claimed profession. Your opinion doesn't count any more or any less than anyone else's on here. And if you really are a mental health professional you'll realise that claiming to be able to sum someone up in the way that you have after watching him on the telly for a few weeks doesn't add any weight to your claim.

jet 17-10-2011 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by alex_front2 (Post 4660491)
I think speculating on Aaron's mental health is futile and a bit degrading. Unless we know for a fact with a diagnosis then it's quite tasteless. I joke that Jay is an uncontrollable psycho, but the fact is I don't know.
BB is a game show where the HM's put themselves up for public scrutiny. This is a MB where we can scrutinize them. It seems only Aaron should be immune from that. :rolleyes:

soundslike 17-10-2011 01:51 PM
Being in a mental health profession doesn't mean you will always judge a persons mannerisms correctly. How many top psychiatrist have been fooled by people or have made huge mistakes about someone.
I don't like Aaron but I think he was just closing down the question that was asked. In other words I don't know you well enough to give you that information so he played on it. Good for him some things are best kept private.

He could be straight, he could be bi he could even be gay, no one knows but Aaron. I suppose its his business and not something he wants to discuss with anyone or maybe its part of his game so he appeals to the gay followers.

jet 17-10-2011 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 4660528)
You've quite clearly stated here that your comment was made in your capacity as a "mental health professional". You say "I am in a position to comment on that..." because of your claimed profession. Your opinion doesn't count any more or any less than anyone else's on here. And if you really are a mental health professional you'll realise that claiming to be able to sum someone up in the way that you have after watching him on the telly for a few weeks doesn't add any weight to your claim.
That was said light heartedly and 'tongue in cheek'. It is hard to convey intent on a MB.
However, as a MHP I do think that I am in a better position to spot some things than others may be - especially as I studied body language for my post grad thesis and have had several articles published on the subject. Of course I realize I can't know anything for sure - how could any of us? I thought my opinions might be of some interest and add to the conversation but I realize that the subject of Aaron is a touchy one for some reason.

jet 17-10-2011 02:05 PM
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Being in a mental health profession doesn't mean you will always judge a persons mannerisms correctly. How many top psychiatrist have been fooled by people or have made huge mistakes about someone.
Very true, soundslike.

Vicky. 17-10-2011 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jet (Post 4660589)
I thought my opinions might be of some interest and add to the conversation but I realize that the subject of Aaron is a touchy one for some reason.
Nah, its not the subject of Aaron. Its the way you made out on entering this thread that your opinion was more likely to be right than anyone elses because of your 'profession'. And that you followed that up by labeling mental problems based on next to nothing and the fact that being uptight apparently is enough to label someone a closet gay.

I will never understand the people who seem to think they know better about other peoples sexuality. As if theres any defining characteristics of any sexuality...the most butch guy you can imagine who claims to have slept with 36478365345 women could just as easily be gay as a metrosexual guy who claims to be a virgin.

Its also a bit odd that you would come to this conclusion given that you apparently have 20 years experience working with homosexuals, so really you should know better than to say someone is 'closetted' based on their behaviour. Very odd.

Angus 17-10-2011 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jet (Post 4660452)
I would be interested to know why you have come to that belief, and of whom you are referring to?




Which offensive and bigoted views were they?

You have implied that I (and maybe some others) have homophobic and bigoted views with no good reason. Perhaps you could explain why you have made such serious allegations. Meanwhile, I have reported your post.
Your post to which I responded speaks for itself, and cannot be interpreted in any other way. It is extremely disingenuous of you to try and backtrack and take the moral high ground. You invoked your "professional" opinion about a man's sexuality and mental health based on watching a few minutes of severely edited scenes shown on a reality entertainment show. You implied your "professional" opinion was somehow superior to the layman's and when you were called out on it, you tried to backtrack.

Report away - you don't have a leg to stand on.

Marmalite 17-10-2011 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Bojangles (Post 4659916)
You could be right.The gay thing is what Tom saw in him originally.

Oh please!!!

Tom would be pining over the fake gorilla if it had shown him enough attention!

jet 17-10-2011 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 4661135)
Nah, its not the subject of Aaron. Its the way you made out on entering this thread that your opinion was more likely to be right than anyone elses because of your 'profession'. And that you followed that up by labeling mental problems based on next to nothing and the fact that being uptight apparently is enough to label someone a closet gay.

I will never understand the people who seem to think they know better about other peoples sexuality. As if theres any defining characteristics of any sexuality...the most butch guy you can imagine who claims to have slept with 36478365345 women could just as easily be gay as a metrosexual guy who claims to be a virgin.

Its also a bit odd that you would come to this conclusion given that you apparently have 20 years experience working with homosexuals, so really you should know better than to say someone is 'closetted' based on their behaviour. Very odd.
Where did I say I had 20 years experience working with homosexuals? Honestly, the Aaron protection league is working overboard on this thread. I said I had worked with gay youths - but did not mention for how long. Just like others, you are putting words into my mouth I did not say. :nono:
I repeat, BB is a game show, and the HM's put themselves up for scrutiny by the public when they enter the house. I can choose to scrutinize any HM I please within the rules of this board, using my professional experience or not as I wish.
You all really should calm down - Aaron is not God. And I find it hilarious that you think my behaviour is 'odd' and criticize it whenever Aaron behaviour is distinctly odd and you all praise it. Very strange. I have a professional opinion about that but I'll not voice it as I wouldn't want words put into my mouth again.

Patrick 17-10-2011 07:51 PM
His son is like 6...

It's a lie - The Lord is kidding, take a joke.


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