Do they not have the police in Scotland?

Conductors are trained to handle situations like that discreetly without involving any of the public, there was no need at all for any of the other passengers to get involved in that incident, the conductor could have walked away, used his radio to report it and then went about his work without holding up the train and the guy with no ticket would have been dealt with by the proper authorities at the next station, fair enough if you think interfering guy was in the right but to suggest that's the way it's done in Scotland is ridiculous, that makes it sound as if things like than happen here on a daily basis where in most cases that kind of thing would be sorted out through the proper channels.

When reading this thread up til this point...I was thinking this might have been what happened. As this has happened to me before (though not half asleep...I was a bit drunk and gave the inspector a ticket that was like a week old :laugh: )

If some big dickhead who thought they were 20 men had tried to remove me with force...when I knew I had paid, they would have been eating the curb...

Vicky I have a bit of a feeling you are a fellow bunker

Why waste public funds .....when a good chuck out suffices?

Because it's not very civil is it...

Its not the place of some random guy thinking hes hard to do that though. So IMO it WOULD be classed as assault.

It would not be assault if the relevant authorities had done that, but some randomer...its a little different

There's me thinking Scots don't push up with shi*te like this, don't accept youngsters being verbally abusive to someone who is doing their job, that the Scots don't just stand back and let terrorists try to blow up Glasgow airport, andthey don't sit back and give idiots who create FB pages inciting riots & damage to buildings and civil servants just a wee slap on the wrist.

I must have got that wrong then eh?

Yes...I highly doubt it somehow ;)

you prefer social etiquette over wasteful use of public fundings then - that's fine, but I disagree.

The guy was unable to produce his ticket. He was asked repeatedly - and could not do so. He then proceeded to verbally abuse the conductor.

He was asked, repeatedly to remove himself and get off the train. He refused. His own actions led to him being removed. He created the situation.

I don't see the issue. The guy will no doubt have learned his lesson,

If the kid was at all right, he would have tried explaining himself instead of telling the conductor to f off. He sat there and refused to move after being asked several times. Therefore they had every right to physically remove him. Maybe it was wrong for a random passenger to do the heavy lifting, but he was helping out the older conductor guy.

The conductor had the ticket in his hand and was telling him he had paid one fair and not a return ticket. Pretty simple logic to me.

Given that many others on the train were voicing the same opinion, and also that another man got up to keep the yobbo off the train and then got off himself: I suspect it if it had not been the man in question, it would have been someone else who would have taken the same action.

Yup, exactly...to both.

I fail to see how people can think this idiot (the big bloke) was in the right by throwing his weight around...

Absolutely in agreement with this. People are getting soft too soft nowadays in my opinion and let the dregs of society rule them in fear of by actually doing something, something may happen back to them in return. We seem to be becoming a nation of pushover's.

Terrorists trying to blow up the airport and someone not having a train ticket are on 2 entirely different levels imo.

If the conductor had done his job properly in the first place we wouldnt even be having this discussion, and it's not about putting up with ****e it's about dealing with it properly.

I hope the guy that thought he was a big man gets done with assault.

for those who go on about the laddo should have been allowed to get his bag and his stuff..... look at the clip again.... 1min 40sec.

A red haired person with a blue and white jacket - (check in the reflection in the window when he is being pushed towards the door) - he goes and lifts the laddo's bag, he then turns, follows them to the door & throws a black haversack bag out to the lad.

This is then confirmed by a female voice; when he complains about not having his bag telling him at 1min 55 secs that his back is ''out, it's out''

And scots also champion random assault do they?

This could...and should have been dealt with properly. Without some random thug throwing his weight around (and nearly squishing some poor woman and her kids D: ) and being applauded for it.

Not too sure how it is in scotland but I would think its the same as here...the conductor will have had his radio...could have called for security/police. But no. People think its ok for some random bloke to remove someone by force.

I don't really see what the fact that he's Scottish has to do with anything, it's just a coincidence, not like Scotland naturally has tougher train conductors or anything

And this has WHAT to do with the big guy?

Ah yeah, nothing. Just a chance to show off. Bravo you thug, bravo.

I dont disagree that he should have been removed (though he DID have a valid ticket, but could not produce...and there was no need for the swearing). It was just handled completely wrong.

I'm quite happy with the way the matter was handled.

I'd far rather see this than having to call the police, to have the train and all it's passengers held up due to the actions of some drunken little twat - for the police to come and do exactly what the 'big man' did.

I see his father is lying in the papers about him not being allowed to get his backback/bag. It's very clearly seen in the video that it was taken and thown out - and even confirmed by another female voice.

Looks like his Daddy believes his lying son - given that the evidence is there for all to see.

What was this to do with teh 'big man'. the fact that he was a paying passenger. The fact that he did not want his journey delayed due to this arsehole? The fact that others on the train were voicing their own opinion that they weren't prepared to wait all night either .......

Oh well. That makes it all ok then.

Luckily most people dont agree with others being assaulted...its kind of against the law...more so I would imagine...than not having a valid train ticket :)

Ahhh...this makes everything fine again then.

I will remember this next time Im in a bar and the person in front of me is taking ****ing ages to find their purse or something...I can just grab em and chuck them out of the door. After all, they are holding me up and others will be pissed off too, they may even be vocal about it. After all, I am a paying customer so I can do what I like :)

They wouldnt have had to wait all night if the conductor had actually done his job properly and just used his bloody radio :bored:

Totally agree....

As it is it seems some here are happy to allow the drunks to do what the hell they want, be verbally abusive to who they want to, and go around telling lies to make their story sound better (ie: the guy lying that he wasn't allowed to get his backback/bag).

Most people including me, do agree that assault should be punishable.

The boyo wasn't assaulted. he was removed from a train.

A minor incident that probably happens all the time shouldn't have lead to assault. Is this the society we really want to live in?