Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5073907)

I didn't get the full story of what Frankie Boyle said either. However, I'm not sure that flaunting her kids around in the public eye like fashion accessories and using them to get maximum publicity for her sorry self didn't help the cause of that "celebrity Mother of the Year". Not saying he was right in what he said... just saying, I didn't hear reports of him singling out any kid who's mother hadn't already thrust them into the public eye. Jordan herself must take a little of the responsibility.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 5073909)

I don't disagree with you, however I still believe him singling out a particular disabled child to mock, is not on.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5073917)

I agree, it was a poor show on Frankie Boyle's behalf. But had Jordan not made sure we all know what Harvey looks like and who he is, I guess Frankie Boyle would never have heard of him either. I can picture all of Jordan's kids, but I can't picture many other celebrity kids.

Originally Posted by 08marsh (Post 5073817)

The line has to be drawn between making a joke that certain people can laugh with together and singling people out to be laughed AT. It's a fine line but very different.
And when it comes to that there most certainly needs to be boundaries.

When a disabled child is laughed at, and people say he "****s his mother" then I say ******* "free" speech.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 5074020)

Its good to laugh at people and if they are in no position to physically injure you then it becomes very funny.

This is why Ricky is not doing a skit on thick black bodybuilders or MMA stars

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5074037)

Yeah, no comedian has ever gone after muscle heads or fighters, have they?


What?


Oh.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 5074045)

If there has been a bodybuilding or MMA sitcom I must have missed it?

maybe they show it in your wing but not on normal tv?

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5073907)

I didn't get the full story of what Frankie Boyle said either. However, I'm not sure that flaunting her kids around in the public eye like fashion accessories and using them to get maximum publicity for her sorry self didn't help the cause of that "celebrity Mother of the Year". Not saying he was right in what he said... just saying, I didn't hear reports of him singling out any kid who's mother hadn't already thrust them into the public eye. Jordan herself must take a little of the responsibility.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5073917)

I agree, it was a poor show on Frankie Boyle's behalf. But had Jordan not made sure we all know what Harvey looks like and who he is, I guess Frankie Boyle would never have heard of him either. I can picture all of Jordan's kids, but I can't picture many other celebrity kids.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 5073909)

I don't disagree with you, however I still believe him singling out a particular disabled child to mock, is not on.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 5074006)

You'd willingly give up your rights so that comedians can't make jokes that might offend someone?

Sorry but that's HILARIOUS, foolish but hilarious.

Originally Posted by 08marsh (Post 5074276)

I absolutely detest Katie Price and everything that she stands for but that's no excuse for comments to be made in a public arena claiming her disabled son has sex with her, in order to attract laughter and "favour".

In this case, why should the mother "take some of the responsibility"?
Yes, Katie Price has given her kids a level of fame at a very young age but that's pretty much irrelevant to what Boyle did.
That's like saying, you're a kid in the playground and therefore you must take some of the responsibility for being bullied by an older kid. Illogical.




Agreed.




Did I say that? No.

You were talking about everyone having the right of "free speech" and there being no boundaries to comedy.
I suggested when comedy (ie. Comedians broadcasting to a larger arena, TV, radio and DVDs) crosses the line like the likes of Boyle's comments there is some kind of boundary needed. Which channel 4 thankfully (or was it BBC) understood and reprimanded the spineless twerp.

Yes, hilarious isn't it? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5073750)

It's a little rich you asking ME for evidence, when you're basing your whole opinion and your moral outrage on a show that hasn't even been aired yet.

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5073763)

Because there is a difference between being clever, and having a stick continually wedged up your arse about every little thing. An ability to poke fun at people and situations, doesn't detract from intelligence.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 5073842)

I didn't actually see the Frankie Boyle thing..or know exactly what was said..but it seems that it was personal..a specific child..and also the fact that it was a child..who is classed as 'vulnerable'..I mean children in general are vulnerable

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 5074357)

So you don't want Free Speech then, that is hilarious.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5073907)

I didn't get the full story of what Frankie Boyle said either. However, I'm not sure that flaunting her kids around in the public eye like fashion accessories and using them to get maximum publicity for her sorry self didn't help the cause of that "celebrity Mother of the Year". Not saying he was right in what he said... just saying, I didn't hear reports of him singling out any kid who's mother hadn't already thrust them into the public eye. Jordan herself must take a little of the responsibility.

Originally Posted by 08marsh (Post 5074378)

I believe TV and other broadcastable "comedy" akin to Frankie Boyles comment from above needs to be controlled.

But, you just put 2 and 2 together and come up with 5. Whatever.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5073917)

I agree, it was a poor show on Frankie Boyle's behalf. But had Jordan not made sure we all know what Harvey looks like and who he is, I guess Frankie Boyle would never have heard of him either. I can picture all of Jordan's kids, but I can't picture many other celebrity kids.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 5074357)

So you don't want Free Speech then, that is hilarious.

Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5074409)

How about the beckhams...tom cruise... madonnas kids?....
Stop trying to justify it , it's pathetic.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 5074390)

Why should it be controlled? Is simply not watching it not enough for you? Must you dictate what other people watch just because it offends your delicate sensibilities? What gives you that right?

I don't like either of them but there's no point in censoring them just because a bunch of busybodies want to control other people's viewing habbits. What you're proposing is quite simply limiting free speech at the end of the day and it's ridiculous considering why you want to do so, it's just so pointless to get worked up over it.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 5074429)

She doesn't have to justify anything you're the one being self righteous and judging her for the HEINOUS crime of thinking differently to you.

Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5074423)

Stop taking comments out of context. If you don't agree with the opinion fine don't misquote people its uncalled for.
Just be gracious enough to except some have their reasons for their view.

Originally Posted by 08marsh (Post 5074431)

Delicate sensibilities? I'm not going to be made to look strange by you because I don't like to vulnerable people (kids mainly) being ridiculed on TV for a cheap laugh.

Would you just shrug it off if he claimed your son shags his own mother?
Channel 4 agrees by reprimanding him and issuing apologies. They already don't allow a certain level of material onto TV anyway so I don't know what you're on about. Would you say it's acceptable for racist jokes to be thrown about without concern because it's free speech?
It's not about different tastes in viewing habits it's drawing a line between comedy and forms of bullying.

I'm not getting worked up, I've given my opinion and people like yourself are questioning it and so I've elaborated.

I've said my peace, and explained/repeated myself several times, I'm leaving it at that.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 5074440)

I'm not taking it out of context, he said that comedy should be controlled right? Given that stand up comedy usually consists of view and opinions presented in a comedic fashion it would be a restriction of free speech to try and censor it no? He wants to have his cake and eat it and you can't do that with free speech it's either free or it isn't.

I'm going to challenge people's points Kizzy, especially when they're as...short sighted as some presented in this topic.