I have found it difficult because the positions I have applied for have been unsuccessful pyra....

Not at all, however if you wish to perceive it as so, you are free to do so.

It does nothing to negate the fact that despite public perception that it is so incredibly difficult to get work - this is not always the case - which is the fundamental basis of the discussion.

I just find it funny how you have all the answers pyra, I really wish I knew how you do it...You make everything sound sooo easy :)

great post.

Yep, that's normally how it normally works Kiz.

My questions were very clear. Perhaps the jobs you have applied for were not jobs that you were right for? Only you know the answer to that - and clearly, you aren't willing to discuss why you are being unsuccessful.

I also see that you avoided (again) any reply about the option of using agencies for temporary work in the interim and avoided any further dicussion on the merits and benefits of trying to secure work through such means .

My natural charm, charisma, positive outlook, go get attitude -:joker: maybe all that had a huge helping hand, as well as my willingness to be prepared to compromise if needed.



:blush:

I believe that £100k pa does a lot for one's self-confidence ..... :pipe:

Fab post Omah, I love it. :joker:

:conf: Why on earth would I apply for positions I was unsuitable for pyra...
That would make no sense whatsoever would it?
I just did discuss why I was unsuccessful...I explained I did not get the job.
I have applied for temp work through agencies also, what do you suggest I try next?...A sandwich board perhaps?

It's a safe bet to say that if a person doesn't get the job that they were interviewed for, that they were unsuccessful.

I really am truly staggered to learn that you have applied for temporary work through agencies - yet appear have been offered nothing at all.

I honestly have to say Kiz that I have never known anyone who has registered with agencies for temp work, who has not been offered work. Now before you make any incorrect assumption: that is not a a slight on you lest you take it that way .

I do know of those who registered with agencies but rejected work offered to them because they did not agree with the salary they were being paid. perhaps agency work in Scotland is far more easy to secure?

Perhaps...

Just because you are signed up to an agency it does not guarantee you employment, you still have to go through interviews which does not guarantee you a job been offered.
If you are up against numerous people going for the same job your chances become less for securing a position.

No, it's bizarre and completely stupid, just like this thread. Absolutely stupid and illogical. I know you and your friends have jobs. That's not illogical and I accept that; what's illogical is thinking you can speak for the whole nation based on 6 people.

As for the BIB ... quite a few actually. In fact I know a few people unemployed who had been previously employed, having a permanent position.

My own experience of agency work could not be further from what you have described above. any time in the past where I have used an agency: the agency already has contracts in place with various companies, for the agency to provide their clients with workers.

It's been nothing more difficult than registering with the agency - they offer you temp positions and you either say yes or no. That's how easy it was - and not just for me, for others who were with the same agency - ie: foreigners, those in their late teens, mature students returnig back to work, and even those in their 60s were offered (and took) work via nothing more than registering and taking a basic keyboard test.

Redway, please try to be a little less rude, there really is no need for it.

I didn't ask if you knew people who are unemployed, who had previously been employed having had perm positions.

I asked how many of your unemployed friends who are currently looking for work whilst signing on - vs how many are looking for perm work whilst doing some form of temp work.

Redway
its not Just 6 people.

Look what Our Mod Down Under found time to post.

No One attacks him?

You are right Ellen,I am with you here.
I know Students who are signed up to Agencies,just for temporary work even really but some have never had a place to go to yet, some also have to keep pushing to see if there is anything about.

I also have spoken to a good number of people who in order to hold their jobs have had to see their hours cut from 37+ to 30 hours a week, meaning a good loss of income for them.
More and more people are now in what is more like part time work rather than the good full time hours they had before.

There are always companies culling staff and other companies taking on a few more people, likely never enough to start eating into the unemployed though, it is also likely a bit easier to get into a job if you have only just recently been made unemployed,once you have been out of work for a while, it then gets more and more difficult.

You don't have to be a mathematician however to work out that with an estimated just under 0.5 million vacancies in the Country and around 2.6 million unemployed that those figures are not divisible to help cut unemployment.You cannot get 2.6 million into half a million,no matter how you try.

It is really good if someone can lose a job, then quickly succeed in finding another quickly,good luck to them,that is brilliant,likely achieved by a lot of skill and also a bit of luck too.
However my own thoughts would be they are more likely a minority rather than a majority of people looking for and/or needing work.

There are lots of other factors as to getting a job, the interview process, how to properly prepare a CV too, these are the areas the Govt needs to get right into to help people find work.
Overall though, an absolutely massive amount of investment in creating jobs needs to take place and also measures to ensure those jobs are lasting,long time positions.

The future doesn't look good on all fronts and I am personally just thankful that I will have 2 careers I could go into after Uni, I will really consider myself one of the lucky ones and not generalise that all should be able to do what I will have been fortunate to have been able to.

this is a great post!

In all seriousness Joey: if you truly believe that it is up to the Government to show people how to handle interviews and how to prepare CV's ... then I do fear for the future of our country. How much pampering do the job seekers want?

Thank you Arista.

The Govt is doing just that, setting in place the means to get help and advice as to the format of a CV, also how best to approach and go through the interview process.
I would say any Govt that does that is doing the right thing and anyone who needs help and advice should have it for as long as and when they need it.

I was agreeing with Ellen anyway in the main, I have made my point and of course I would say it is Govts duty to ensure all is done to help the unemployed find work and prepare for that especially moreso in times of high and long unemployment periods.

I wouldn't call such help pampering anyway or see it that way,(it's not a battle with the unemployed people themselves). I would just term it the right thing to do for them and the Nation too actually.

Learning how to pull together a CV is something that people should not have to rely on the Government to show them how to do - I'm astounded that you would think that that was the responsibility of Government, and not of the person seeking the job. Do we live in a world these days that some are not prepared to do some ground work themselves but want / expect others to do everything for them - without them putting some effort in themselves.

Careers advisors in schools, colleges and universities are avail to assist with such things, thousands of sites online are available at no cost to show how to prepare a CV , employment agencies will show you, (and will present their own preferred format to their clients), DWP have courses to show how to do these things. It really is not difficult to find out how to construct at CV without expecting even further assistance from the Government - which is actually already out there and available. .

I would say that the Government do as much as they possibly can to assist jobseekers: sometimes people need to help themselves, and there are those within the job seeking market who simply won't - and will use anything as an excuse.

I have never said on this thread that there are enough jobs for every job seeker to be employed.

What I have said is that not all job seekers are willing to do what it takes to find work - preferring instead to use ''can't" when perhaps ''Won't'' may be more applicable.

Some people may make it incredibly difficult to be placed in employment due to their rigid demands and lack willingness to compromise: whether it be on situation/hours/ location / working week / shift pattern / travel / salary - and that's without even going near the person suitability for the job.

Its not pampering, its helping people to make the best of themselves when looking for work.
If it helps people back into the work force then it is a positive.

Absolutely. I agree again.

Which is already available in all manner of forms and resources: Given the amount of resources already available (see my previous post) - I'd say that it amounts to a certain degree of some wanting mollycoddled and having someone else do all the ground work for them.

I am also referring to the blocks that some job seekers place on being able to being offered employment: some i do feel limit their choices due to their own lack of flexibility - but use that as excuses for not finding work.

If I had decided I was only going to seek employment in a company that I did not need to use my car to reach the workplace , that was within walking distance of my home, that I would only work Monday to Friday and ony between the hours of 10am to 4pm, would not consider any other hours, would not consider anything less that £17 per hour and wanted flexi-time, provided me with health benefits etc - I'm pretty sure I'd have found it damned hard to be re-employed so quickly.

This is the angle I am coming from.