I'm biting into the handle of my hairbrush Im so annoyed..:devil::joker:

:laugh:

All benefits will be cut from next year. I doubt she'll be better off not working then! :hugesmile:

:shocked: You meanie :laugh:

I would feel awful giving a kid just one present for xmas. Granted I wouldnt spend anywhere near 2 grand, but one present seems harsh to me.

Well when universal credit comes in, apparently noone will be better off not working. Lets hope thats how it actually happens and not just another way of trying to sell more cuts to the public.

My nephews get far too many presents from relatives. We don't want to spoil them! :hugesmile:

*Crosses fingers, toes and eyes bumps into wall falls over*

Yes that was rather galling and crass

I was working off the fact she had saved £2,000. If she saved £250 per month she would have £3,000. I don't know which is correct.

Her rent is paid directly for her, so she picks up £800/month. I've never had a job that pays that, but that doesn't sound a lot to me to provide a home for 2 children. I'm a single guy, and I couldn't live on £800/month. Even if I allow for a scaling down of my bills, so it's closer to her. I spend the best part of £350/month on petrol alone.

She may have credit card debts and payday loan debts up to her eyeballs, that she's used to supplement her lifestyle. She's obviously very materialistic, and likes to promote an image of herself as a bit of a wag. I'm fairly certain after reading that, that she's probably debtted up to her eyeballs.

Either way though, 170 or 250...no way would she be able to afford all the stuff she claims to do without some other finances from somewhere...I wonder if the father contributes, as I dont believe CSA payments affect the amount of benefit you get. If not she must have family and that who pay for her luxuries.

yep I would say that her benefits are subsidised by maintainance, or the interest free social fund loans that are available.

This is always the issue that I struggle with the most in this debate.

I've said before that the system isn't perfect, and we need to find a way to raise the bottom up as a matter of urgency, because they are being left behind at a frightening pace.

The society I believe in, is a society that provides a basic standard of living, healthcare, and facilities to all citizens.

Whenever you deal with a population of such great numbers, there will of course be people looking to take what they can for a free ride, but I believe more people are just looking for a chance and an opportunity.

You never read stories about poor people being given an opportunity, and after 20 years hard work managing to buy their first house, or rent privately in a nicer area. No one would ever sell newspapers. You only hear about the single mothers, immigrants, and scroungers.

So the rags get all this red meat ready and wind up white van man to the point of a heart attack, to push the myth that everyone on benefits is a scrounger and the country is broke, so we need to crack down on them.

I don't want any part of taking more money from the poor, and loading the burden on to them even further. That's not humanity, that's eugenics.

[QUOTE=Jesus.H.Christ;5688754]This is always the issue that I struggle with the most in this debate.

I've said before that the system isn't perfect, and we need to find a way to raise the bottom up as a matter of urgency, because they are being left behind at a frightening pace.

The society I believe in, is a society that provides a basic standard of living, healthcare, and facilities to all citizens.

Whenever you deal with a population of such great numbers, there will of course be people looking to take what they can for a free ride, but I believe more people are just looking for a chance and an opportunity.

You never read stories about poor people being given an opportunity, and after 20 years hard work managing to buy their first house, or rent privately in a nicer area. No one would ever sell newspapers. You only hear about the single mothers, immigrants, and scroungers.

So the rags get all this red meat ready and wind up white van man to the point of a heart attack, to push the myth that everyone on benefits is a scrounger and the country is broke, so we need to crack down on them.

I don't want any part of taking more money from the poor, and loading the burden on to them even further. That's not humanity, that's eugenics.[/QUOTE]

Wonderfully put jesus.

Please tell us Jesus how you would cure the ills of society. I do agree with some of your thoughts but how do we deal with the disingenuous side of human nature. . Surely it begins with parental guidance. Although I have two sons who are quite disparate in their moral values and indeed work ethic.

I don't know if anyone can. You just have to lay a bet on the overwhelming majority, knowing full well that you will never change some people. But these are dire times. Inspiring people into work is one thing we can try and achieve it over time, but cutting down their ability to live day to day is not the way forward.

This woman gets £800/month in her pocket. I work a lot harder (He says having 6 weeks off over Christmas!!), but then I make more money so I can. If I could quit work tomorrow, I would. I'm not super driven, at times I can be quite lazy an unmotivated. But I grew up with nice things around me, and I want those for myself, so I work hard to provide for me, and any future Mrs Christ and baby jeebuses that may crop up. But if my life had been different, I could definitely imagine myself taking the easy route.

Mmm

..I don't think I really care much whether she's on benefits or not..if you're entitled to benefits then there aren't any rules to what you can spend them on, anymore than if it was a salary..if she manages to save some then that's all good....

..I more think that for anyone, employed or not, to spend that amount of money on a child isn't really going to teach the child the value of things..that's my personal opinion...

..also, if someone was deemed as 'middle class' and said that, it would be seen as highly insensitive in this recession..(because it is)..so I think this is equally as insensitive...there are a lot of people who struggle on their benefits and students who struggle on their allowance, pensioners etc....

...I always wonder how these newspapers get these stories...do people contact them and say...'oh, I'm spending £2000 on my two children for Christmas..would you like to report on it..?'

Agreed. Spoiling kids is never a good idea.

I agree.
My biggest "WTF?" about this article was the fact she seems to think expensive clothing (Is it really that much better than Next and Gap? It serves the same bloody purpose. You're paying extra for a label. lol), expensive gadgets and jewellery equates to being well raised.

When, if this is how she "treats" them then they'll grow up just as frivolous and not appreciate the value of what they have.

Since when did little 5 year olds gets bullied because their dresses didn't say Ralph Lauren on the back? :suspect: