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Omah 05-01-2013 11:36 AM
Argentina accused of 'intimidating' British cruise liners near the Falklands
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2H6V42mKU

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The British government accused Argentina of ‘intiimidating’ British cruise liners near the Falkland Islands, it emerged yesterday.

Six such incidents, where protestors or industrial action by militant unions have disrupted cruise liners bound for the Falklands, have occurred in the past two months.

Foreign office minister Hugo Swire blamed militants from Argentina for the threats, and condemned their actions saying they should allow passenger liners to travel safely to the islands.

It is understood that last month, the British Government ‘formally summoned’ the Argentine Ambassador Alicia Castro to protest against the incidents involving thousands of passengers since mid-November.

A fresh wave of fresh protests by Argentine nationalists was launched yesterday at two cruise liners docked in Buenos Aires after visits to islands, known in Spanish as Las Malvinas.

Protesters accused the Star Princess and the Seabourn Sojourn of stopping at provinces across the region, including the Falkland Islands and Tierra del Fuego, in violation of a provincial law.

The controversial ‘Gaucho Rivero’ law which is active in five provinces, prohibits British ships involved in the ‘exploitation of natural resources’ around the Falklands from docking.
If the Argies want an argy-bargy ..... :pipe:

Omah 05-01-2013 11:42 AM
Washington admitted they might have inadvertently encouraged Argentina
 
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 5728210)
Anyone who thinks that what happened in 1982 in the Falklands was a matter of principal and nothing to do with natural resources is deluded.
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5728248)
Anyone who thinks this isn't a diversion tactic by the floundering Argentine government is also deluded. Much like the floundering Junta in 1982. I also think that, for the soldiers sho fought there, it was very much a matter of principle.
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Originally Posted by Omah (Post 5728310)
I think it's a mixture of both points of view plus other factors, including Thatcher using the conflict to popularise herself ..... :yuk:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2H6WFTEyp

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The Americans admitted they may have inadvertently encouraged the Argentinians to invade the Falkland Islands, it emerged last night.

The former head of the CIA privately confessed that Argentina may wrongly have believed its support for US covert operations in Central America would mean Washington's 'acquiescence' for the 1982 invasion.

In fact, despite friction between London and Washington, the Pentagon provided vital behind-the-scenes support for the British military to retake the islands.

But newly declassified files reveal fears at the heart of US intelligence that a misunderstanding over US foreign policy could have led Buenos Aires to believe an invasion would not upset Washington.

Just over a month after the Argentinian surrender in June 1982, Sir Nicholas Henderson – then about to retire as UK ambassador in Washington – recalled conversations with CIA director William Casey in a 'valedictory telegram' to his Foreign Office bosses in London.

Sir Nicholas wrote: 'It is relevant that Mr William Casey, the head of the CIA, who was closely concerned in Cabinet discussion on this subject, has implied to us privately that he thinks the Argentinians may well have been led up the wrong path.

'They may have believed that their support for the US in covert operations in Central America was more important to the US than in fact it was, and could be expected to earn them American acquiescence in forward policy elsewhere.'
"might", "may", "could" = "did"

:hmph:

Omah 05-01-2013 03:46 PM
A weakened president falls out with fellow Peronists
 
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5728248)
Anyone who thinks this isn't a diversion tactic by the floundering Argentine government is also deluded. Much like the floundering Junta in 1982.
Yeah, you're right :

http://www.economist.com/news/americ...s-enemy-within

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TWICE in the past quarter-century mobs of looters have helped to drive Argentine presidents from office. So it looked ominous when thousands of people attacked supermarkets and shops in several cities on December 21st and 22nd. The police restored order, but only after two people died and scores were arrested.

The looting followed months of sporadic protests against the government of President Cristina Fernández. Labour unions, long a bulwark of her Peronist movement, complain that inflation, unofficially running at 26% in the 12 months to November, is devouring wages. Transport, banks and hospitals have suffered strikes. The middle class is angry about crime and exchange controls. Ms Fernández’s approval rating stands at 39%, down from 69% a year ago, according to Poliarquía, a pollster.
:idc:

arista 05-01-2013 03:59 PM
"Ms Fernández’s approval rating stands at 39%, down from 69% a year ago, according to Poliarquía, a pollster. "

Yes she spends to much time on our Falklands
while her own nation is a a mess.

Omah 05-01-2013 10:37 PM
Argie bargy: Voters call on David Cameron to stop British aid to Argentina
 
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...o-stop-1521379

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David Cameron is facing demands to stop giving taxpayers’ cash going to Argentina as it plots to claw back the Falklands.

The UK has handed Argentina £225million as part of international loans in the past 20 years, The Sunday People reports.

It’s our share of cash given by the World Bank through its aid subsidiaries.

Now the Prime Minister is facing an angry backlash from voters who want him to block any more money.

They are demanding he joins US President Barack Obama in voting against new handouts.

America said Argentina should not get more money until it did a better job of repaying loans dating back 20 years.

A petition organised by the Taxpayers Alliance pressure group has gone on Downing Street’s website.

If it gets 100,000 signatures the PM will be forced into a Commons debate.
Why successive governments keep on handing out money to countries which are not necessarily our "best friends" is anathema to me ..... :mad:

Omah 06-01-2013 03:36 AM
Argie prez hires VIP jet from BRITAIN in top secret deal
 
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...#ixzz2HAOPzQCZ

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ARGIE leader Cristina Kirchner is hiring a jet from a British firm after she was forced to ground her own luxury plane in a debt row.

She will splash out £622,000 on a Bombardier Global Express jet from charter company Chapman Freeborn for her tour of Asia.

The news is a massive embarrassment for the president — who regularly rants against British sovereignty of the Falklands and whose government has called for a boycott of British business.

It comes days after The Sun responded to her latest attack by printing a letter in a Buenos Aires paper, warning Argentina: “Hands off.”

Officially, Mrs Kirchner has been forced to find alternative transport after her £40million Boeing 757, codenamed Tango 1, was grounded for “technical reasons”.

The £30million Bombardier can seat 13 and has a stateroom with a bed, satellite wi-fi and even staff to serve drinks.

But sources revealed the real reason for the switch was fears that her own jet could be confiscated.

In October, Argentina’s ship ARA Libertad was seized in Ghana when US-based NML Capital — which claims it was owed £1billion — got a court order banning it from leaving port.

Argentina fears Tango 1 will suffer the same fate from any of a number of creditors if it touches down on foreign soil.

The move by Mrs Kirchner — slammed last year for using Tango 1 to take son Maximo to hospital with a sore knee — has caused fury among air charter companies in her own country who are banned from taking customers to the Falklands.

WITH vast wealth and extravagant tastes, Cristina Kirchner is nicknamed “the Queen” in Argentina.

One of Latin America’s richest leaders, she boasts a family fortune of £11.5million, a five-star hotel and many other assets. The average Argentinian earns £6,000 a year.Mrs Kirchner, 59, is said to have blown £70,000 on 20 pairs of Christian Louboutin shoes during an official trip to Paris in 2011.

And last October she was accused of spending £1million doing up one floor of her office. Much of her family’s property was acquired during Argentina’s military dictatorship from 1976 to 1983.

Mrs Kirchner worked as a lawyer at the time and has been accused of making a fortune as banks evicted thousands who could not pay mortgages. She has been mocked in the Argentine press and dubbed “Bimbo” and “Botox Evita”.
Who'd have thought that a South American "dictator" was corrupt ..... :rolleyes:

Shaun 06-01-2013 03:52 AM
the most bafflingly unsubstantiated 'issue' I have ever seen so much time and debate devoted to... they want to be British, they don't want to be Argentinean. They are British. Literally the only claim I can see Argentina having is "it's closer to us than the UK", in which case I eagerly await Argentina's claim to Chile, Australia and Kiribati.

Kizzy 06-01-2013 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Omah (Post 5733794)
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...#ixzz2HAOPzQCZ



Who'd have thought that a South American "dictator" was corrupt ..... :rolleyes:
Who would have ever thought that Thatcher the dictator would align herself with Pinochet...and yet..
The sun, aka mad murdocks rag trying to muster the masses again?
Surely the public wouln't fall for the same trick?...

Omah 06-01-2013 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 5733809)
Who would have ever thought that Thatcher the dictator would align herself with Pinochet...and yet..
The sun, aka mad murdocks rag trying to muster the masses again?
Surely the public wouln't fall for the same trick?...
Why the Sun decided to publish an open (and inflammatory) letter in Argentina is another mystery to me ..... :conf:

Kizzy 06-01-2013 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Omah (Post 5733945)
Why the Sun decided to publish an open (and inflammatory) letter in Argentina is another mystery to me ..... :conf:
It is unbelievable! How/why they were allowed to get away with it is beyond me...
We have a delicate situation here, to be handled by those elected to represent us or experts in international relations used to delicate negotiations.
Why then is our gutter press issuing these bizarre and ridiculous demands via the media?
Whoever is responsible for that incitement should be held accountable for any repercussions.

Omah 06-01-2013 10:53 PM
Cameron: Britain would fight another war with Argentina to keep the Falkland Islands
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-8439971.html

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David Cameron has warned that he is ready to fight another war with Argentina to prevent that country seizing the Falkland Islands.

He told BBC 1's Andrew Marr Show: "I get regular reports on this entire issue because I want to know that our defences are strong, our resolve is extremely strong."

Asked if Britain would fight to keep the islands, he replied: "Of course we would and we have strong defences in place on the Falkland islands, that is absolutely key, that we have fast jets stationed there, we have troops stationed on the Falklands."
The sabre-rattling starts ..... :idc:

Sticks 07-01-2013 04:58 AM
How much does that cost the UK tax payer?

What could we do with that money if re returned Las Malvenas?

Nedusa 07-01-2013 11:26 AM
Realistically the only way Argentina is ever going to get the Falkland Islands back is by using force. But as Britain keeps one of its Trident Submarines in the South Atlantic well within range of Argentina, and as each Trident Nuclear Submarine carries up to 8 - W88 100KT Thermonuclear Warheads (all independently targetable) ,I don't think this is going to happen anytime soon.....do you ???


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