hes contradicted himself all over the place. sexuality is very very complex and its not as black and white as the politically correct thought police are demanding it to be seen as.

I just dont get the "poor me" image you want to portray

How do you know she doesn't? do you have 24/7 live feed? :conf:
Yet again all she did was ask a question.
You need too stop with your misagynistic views.

You told me I wasn't Christian lol. That's totally pathetic.

You have turned this thread into a total farce yet again throwing insults at forum members.

I am not a bigot I was siding with him when I said he was brought up in a very religious environment and that's effected his views on homosexuals. I did not call all Christians brainwashed bur religion can do that to a person and America is a very religious country. Its even illegal to be gay in some parts there still.

You can also choose to change your religion like for instance joining scientology or turning to choosing to join the muslim community which a lot of people do.

Some people can be brainwashed, we see it all the time Look at people who are brainwashed by the Taliban.

Just please tell me though how you know that I am not a Christian lol what a stupid thing to say.

Anyway what he said was homophobic that's fact, he has a right to his opinion and I respect that but what he said did offend me and I don't get offended often especially by a tv show.

I am not a prejudiced person which is a person that is racist,, sexist, homophobic, Hetrophobic, chauvinist, or an anti-Semite: Evander falls into that category im afraid. I am none of those things.

Can someone please post the transcript to prove the things hes said and get this over with.

[QUOTE=daniel-lewis-1985;6591664]You told me I wasn't Christian lol. That's totally pathetic.

You have turned this thread into a total farce yet again throwing insults at forum members.

I am not a bigot I was siding with him when I said he was brought up in a very religious environment and that's effected his views on homosexuals. I did not call all Christians brainwashed bur religion can do that to a person and America is a very religious country. Its even illegal to be gay in some parts there still.

You can also choose to change your religion like for instance joining scientology or turning to choosing to join the muslim community which a lot of people do.

Some people can be brainwashed, we see it all the time Look at people who are brainwashed by the Taliban.

Just please tell me though how you know that I am not a Christian lol what a stupid thing to say.

Anyway what he said was homophobic that's fact, he has a right to his opinion and I respect that but what he said did offend me and I don't get offended often especially by a tv show.

Can someone please post the transcript to prove the things hes said and get this over with.[/QUOTE]

Daniel ,you opened this thread, but now you dont want people to voice their opinions ?

It will never be over until you accept youre worng to label all Christians and all gay people exactly the same. that is stereotyping discrimination for which you wrongly accuse others of. its insane hypocrisy

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This is the problem with this debate,it's "us" and "them",no middle ground at all!?! You're for us,or against us!!:nono: I agree with freedom of speech,but I am totally against homophobia,so I'm stuck in the middle. I then have to consider what was said,the context in which it was said,and whether it was intended to offend!?! Oh if only everything was black and white,not in a racist way?? :conf:

I didn't say that though did I. Why are so so extreme and twist people posts?

The public can discus ANYTHING but their opinion but if they are talking about something they have no knowledge of then their opinion is just void.

Oh and Football fans can obviously discuss it if they are fans lol im sorry I didn't know people were born football fans.

are you also against discrimination against religious people and hetrosexual men? or do you just pick and choose what disrimination youre opposed to depending on your own agenda?

I wouldn't have expected anything else to come from his mouth on this subject. Ignorant, on so many levels and homophobic claptrap.
He's a product of his environment and not very bright. He's been raised and carried on following fundamentalist Bible terrorists and handed over a lot of cash for that privilege I presume. Ignore and carry on.........

goodness me youre tlaking out of your hat and embarassing yourself now. lol
so no one can discuss or form opinions on anything unless they do it themselves lol I guess the local firemen have to burn their houses down before joining the brigade...cops must take heroin before investigating drug ushers...detectives must commit murder mefore investigating it? lol Im embarassed for you. no wonder you choose to stereotype the whole world of Christians and homosexuals, your world view is the most narrow thing ive ever heard

thats a bigoted post trying to label millions of Christians as terrorists....total hypocrisy as you preach against discrimination and stereotyping groups of people

[/QUOTE]Daniel ,you opened this thread, but now you dont want people to voice their opinions ?[/QUOTE]

I opened the thread to discuss the actual issue of what Evander had said in the house. My op was very un biased and then as usual certain forum members come in, throw insults and twist words.

Its just annoying that they cant act like adults.

[QUOTE=daniel-lewis-1985;6591709]

I am never interested in anything you have to say. Learn to read and comprehend before attacking me with such exaggerated nonsense to suit your own agenda as usual.

But im not saying its us or them. I have said I agreed he should have a right to freedom of speech and I was interested in the conversation.

But I do think his comments were homophobic.

That's my opinion.

He was a bit of a nob with it, fair enough if that's his view (even though it's pretty dumb) but Luisa realised early on that the conversation was going down a bit of a dodgy path and he kept forcing it even though she could see it wasn't a very appropriate thing for them to discuss, partly because of how wildly different their views were and partly because of it airing out to millions of people who were bound to find it offensive

I'm against ALL discrimination,and I have no agenda!!:nono: This debate is about freedom of speech and homophobia?!?:conf:

Trust me all gay people are not the same lol im talking about being gay though.

Also I am not accusing the entire Christian community as all the same lol I AM CHRISTIAN!!!

You are not reading my posts as you are responding way to quickly, you are glancing through, picking out certain things then twisting them.

Stop trolling and stop calling me a bigot.

I have shown that I believe he has a right to air his opinion and looked at it from both sides. You have obviously misread my OP.

Please go back and look at it again as its very unbiased and this thread was started that way until the insults started to get thrown again.

Same old, same old.

That's fine! I was replying to a post by Jordan who came up with no point talking to "them"!?!

I stand by my point that I find his comment narrow minded, not homophobic.

Yet another personal attack.

Just calm down you have serious aggression.

Labels, labels. Society loves them yet human beings are so much more complex than the narrow viewpoint that any label implies. Define a Christian. Define a homosexual. Yes, you can at a basic level by what those words represent, but people are individuals with their own beliefs.

What we need is not political correctness, not the forcing of views on others, it's tolerance. Learn to tolerate other people's differences whether or not you agree with them. Learn to accept there ARE differences. Realise that morality is controlled by society.

The world is already becoming too homogenised. Voltaire said it best 300 years ago:

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

Freedom of speech and thought applies to both sides of an argument and encompasses all viewpoints. Having said that, it was naive of Evander to air his beliefs on TV. It's a very tricky subject which has not been resolved in the whole of human history and I doubt it ever will be.

Hugs to Livia and Chuff ;)

But saying it could be changable is saying that there is something wrong with being gay, as if it is an ailment that needs fixing! That is what is so very very wrong!

Chuff with deepest respect, that is absolute nonsense...