Originally Posted by abhorson (Post 6686779)

No better than whom you are attacking imo.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6686760)

If this is true then it is entirely men's fault, since they dominate the political and legal arenas which make the laws, and hold most of the top spots in media outlets which influence people's views. It is not true, however. Men and women have equal rights by law in the UK and there is equal support available to them in the health and education services. Less support for fathers is generally because the mothers normally take more responsibility for child-rearing.



I agree that the rate of young males who commit suicide is higher than that of women. In this thread, we have seen you launch a personal attack on a young male poster because his view differed from your own. Rather than engaging on the issues he raised, here is a selection of what you wrote to him:

"anti hetro men"
"you provoke others to dleiberately try and get people infracted"
"pathetic."
"zero empathy for male issues and problems."
"what a vapid statement"
"quit the male bashing its getting tedious"
"being a self loathing man is part of the problem sadly,"

If your attitude and abusive behaviour is typical of a certain type of man in this day and age, then it's no wonder their male offspring feel suicidal. It's not typical in my social group, thank goodness.

I think blinkered attitudes like yours are the reason that men can feel suicidal. The expectation that they be in control, tough, macho and powerful doesn't enable them to express their feelings and they have nowhere to turn when they're in difficulties.

Thank goodness the world is changing, and people are creating more healthy and nurturing relationships with others, regardless of sex, views, race, colour, creed, etc.. That's not to say things are perfect, but we're a work in progress.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6686772)

:laugh:

I might be one too, for all he knows. ;)

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6686793)

so youre blaming me for male suicide rates being 4 times higher than females across the entire planet? lol. I dont know whether to laugh or cry at the most ridiculous thing ever posted on nay website ever. yes it is good the world is changing and attitudes are becoming more caring for men and for their rights and their health issues and needs. I hope you can update you thinking and catch up with male rights. regardless of sexuality colour and race or religion.

it is time men had the same rights as women and get treated the same in social situations and even in schools where little boys have been allowed to fall behind for decades. lets hope to the massive imbalance between ho wmuch is spent on female health, female charities, female mental health issues too can be re-aligned and we can start to invest far more in male health issues and suicides in particular. on the day a great man like phillip seymour hoffman lost his life, it would be an appropriate tribute to him , to try and tackle male depression and suicides with serious focus and serious financial investment.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6686817)

I didn't blame you for anything. Here's what I wrote:

'I think blinkered attitudes like yours are the reason that men can feel suicidal. The expectation that they be in control, tough, macho and powerful doesn't enable them to express their feelings and they have nowhere to turn when they're in difficulties.'

I stand by that.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6686789)

I don't really see why you feel the need to suddenly jump in and accuse me of attacking truth because I make some observations about the bile which he has been pouring towards anyone in this thread who doesn't share his views.

Do you agree with him?

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6686824)

I think that is more true of you.

Originally Posted by abhorson (Post 6686870)

I felt your statement was just very ill thought out and the suggestion it implied rather tasteless given the subject matter.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6686897)

It was intended as a throw-away jibe.. however, when you queried it, it was easy enough to justify. :)

You still haven't explained why you ignored all the remarks 'truth' made. Do you agree with him?

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6686897)

It was intended as a throw-away jibe.. however, when you queried it, it was easy enough to justify. :)

You still haven't explained why you ignored all the remarks 'truth' made. Do you agree with him?

Originally Posted by Germyle (Post 6686964)

both of you need to upload an avatar and stop bumping this old thread

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6686992)

I agree. its time the supporters of this evil woman luisa came to terms with the fact jimbo was a worthy winner and abusive man haters luisa and linda were by far the most sexist people in the house. have you noticed how jimbo has offered to do charity work for lindas charity , but shes still slagging him and the show for samaging her fostering propspects. dreadful women. shes doing all the harm to her reputation all by herself.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6686945)

it was in incredibly poor taste and Id suggest if thats the type of statement you make and the way you think they maybe you should be in a different line of work. I am empowering men to fight for their rights, to seek help and advice, Plus I am fighting the fight for the massive imbalance of health spending and charitable support between women and men to be rectified. women get an estimated 3 to 4 times as much money spent on their well being than men. and men commit suicide at 4 times the rate. the correlation there is not a mere coincidence.

Originally Posted by abhorson (Post 6686969)

The "no wonder" in your statement being used in an attempt at a jibe to any fellow poster is not something that should be used, joke or not.


And now because you were pulled up on it, you try to bring me into your discussions with said poster.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6687023)

:laugh:

So you cannot justify it. lol. I didn't think so.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6686992)

I agree. its time the supporters of this evil woman luisa came to terms with the fact jimbo was a worthy winner and abusive man haters luisa and linda were by far the most sexist people in the house. have you noticed how jimbo has offered to do charity work for lindas charity , but shes still slagging him and the show for samaging her fostering propspects. dreadful women. shes doing all the harm to her reputation all by herself.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6687020)

The remarks which you made earlier in the thread were not "empowering". That is what prompted me to make the statement in the first place. If you don't know how potentially damaging these kind of remarks could be to a young person then it's about time you learned.

I don't think that slating people on a BB forum is "fighting the fight" to redress an imbalance in health spending. I personally thought it was an important issue, hence my very detailed post above which outlined different avenues for anyone to explore if they or anyone they know is experiencing mental health problems. All these avenues are available regardless of gender. I was hoping it might prove to be useful information to someone.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6687034)

Huh? Who are you talking about? You appear to be having a conversation mainly with Daniel and me. I have already said that I have no problem with Jim winning. If you look at the threads in which we had to write who we wanted to win, you will see that I wrote that Jim and Luisa should come in the top two with Dappy third. :) Daniel also wanted Jim and Luisa to come top.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6687023)

:laugh:

So you cannot justify it. lol. I didn't think so.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6687060)

wow so you think this matter of suicide is a laughing matter? and you claim to be a professional in the field? deary me what a disgrace

it is you who cannot justify youre horrific remarks about me pushing men to suicide and no its not alaughing matter

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6687054)

daniel wanted luisa to win and he supported luisa and linda sexually discriminating against imbo. clearly you think daniel needs you as back up to help him. how patronising.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6687086)

How would Daniel need me as a back up? He has already told you who he wanted to win. I was telling you who I wanted to win, and reminding you about Daniel, because you seem to be experiencing some memory issues.:laugh:

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6687069)

My post above had nothing to do with the matter of suicide. We were discussing an entirely different issue. It would help if you actually read people's posts properly before jumping in and making yourself look silly. :laugh:

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6687095)

silly is better than sick. also suicide isnt a laughing matter as you should now if you really are some kind of health professional. you tired to say I was somehow responsible for the worsening rates of male suicides, thats the most revolting statement ever written on this site. shameful