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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 7184203)

you haven't been discussing mid east politics though medusa, you have just been repeating the talking points you read on your conspiracy websites things you've probably read on Facebook.

You haven't expressed an individual thought or unique opinion yet.

:shocked::shocked::shocked:

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Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 7184265)

:shocked::shocked::shocked:

I can recognize a russian shill from a mile away!

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Originally Posted by Z (Post 7184209)

There is no clean cut end goal here, the fighting will continue until everyone is dead or enough people have died on one side that another side "wins" and gains control of the region until the next uprising. The West shouldn't be getting involved, but of course we will because that's what we do. The mix of different religions and the stupid land borders that don't reflect reality and the meddling from outside influences have created this volatile cocktail and it's not going to go away if the West barges in and tries to placate each side; part of the problem is the West trying to tell everyone what to do is seriously offensive to most concerned parties. I think a major shake up of land divisions will unfold over the coming months and years and I think it'll only continue to escalate.

Yes Z.
Its Bloody Bush /Blair
at fault.

I would have left Saddam there

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 7184533)

Yes Z.
Its Bloody Bush /Blair
at fault.

I would have left Saddam there

oh you would would you? so you'd be happy him being your leader? or maybe you think the iraqi people don't deserve better? So you would be happy with Saddam as YOUR leader?

I'm not happy with David Cameron being my leader but that's the one I have. I'd be more offended if the USA or France or Germany waded in and got rid of him and installed some new leader of their choosing in his place.

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Originally Posted by Z (Post 7184569)

well you're british, you have too much pride for your own good. Americans were happy to let France help us defeat our leader king george in our revolutionary war though. and most Germans are happy that America helped defeat Hitler and let them get a new leader.

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 7184267)

I can recognize a russian shill from a mile away!

I will never admit to being a Russian shill......

Vsyak sverchok znai svoy shestok !!! :pipe::pipe:

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Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 7184639)

I will never admit to being a Russian shill......

Vsyak sverchok znai svoy shestok !!! :pipe::pipe:

translation> dumb american, i smoke your ancestors in my pipe

:o

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 7184652)

translation> dumb american, i smoke your ancestors in my pipe

:o

Your translation.........not mine :joker:

How Ironic

America is considering to a deal with
Assad in Syria to destroy Isis.

Its going to get far worse

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 7198502)

How Ironic

America is considering to a deal with
Assad in Syria to destroy Isis.

Its going to get far worse

Apparently not only is the enemy of my enemy my friend but also the enemy of my friend is also my friend.

Seems the US can be friends with anybody depending on which way the wind is blowing.

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Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 7198514)

Apparently not only is the enemy of my enemy my friend but also the enemy of my friend is also my friend.

Seems the US can be friends with anybody depending on which way the wind is blowing.

.

Yes by whatever means America wants to win this Fight.

[Islamic State: Arab leaders reluctant
to heed US call for 'allies against Isis'
Saudi Arabia, UAE and Jordan know dangers
of Isis but tribal ties and fears of
boosting Syria's Assad are prompting caution]

Next week MPs will Debate
and Vote on
if we join America to Air Bomb in Iraq.

I hope the UK Mps Vote stop this USA wish.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...s-arab-leaders

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Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 7163473)

Another day another crisis in the Middle East, the west has inadvertently caused this mess by their initial rush to War in Iraq in 2003. In their haste to topple Saddam they had no realistic plan to cope with the aftermath.

Years later and after a very dubious attempt to create a western leaning Iraqi Govt and army we watch in horror as large parts of that army with weapons supplied by the west decide not to go along with the western supported Govt of Maliki preferring instead to join the Isis group. a group so extreme that even Al Queda want nothing to do with them.

Now switch across to Syria another Country the west feels is ready for regime change and our old friend Assad is fighting dissent by his own population. So what does the west do ? It arms all the groups fighting against Assad as they are the enemy of my enemy so they must be my friends....right

Err...No actually they are the same terrorist extremists the west has been fighting in Iraq,Afghanistan,Libya they are no friend of the West.

Anyway now in our pretty little picture of Middle Eastern chaos we have large numbers of young Jihadists battle hardened with hatred against the west and their Non Sunni brothers...and armed to the teeth with weapons from Syria and the deserters from the Iraqi army.

So why wouldn't they try and set up their own Caliphate they have plenty of heavy weaponry billions of Dollars of stolen cash and lots of time and money to enjoy their murderous killing spree.

They say you reap what you sow, and boy how true is that now turning out to be.

.

Very good summary! Everyone saying the US and ourselves should not get involved? We are and always have been since early last century, too reliant on the oil rich middle eastern countries. They aren't equipped to attack anyone. They haven'r needed to be. They hold us to ransom because of oil and know we have the military power to take care of them and our own interests. We have no other option than to get involved especially if the IS do what Hussein did and move into Kuwait and anywhere else where they can take their oil power and wealth away from them. They're already doing that in Iraq and it's all part of their mission. Humanitarianism comes second to oil of that I'm very sure.
Saddam Hussein was removed thinking that would rid the oil rich countries and us of our biggest threat.

Obama's miscalculations summarised and I believe there is a responsibility here to act upon.

http://en.ammonnews.net/article.aspx...6#.U_9rBDKwJJB

This is a thought provoking article about what when America no longer needs their oil.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lorentho...ddle-east-oil/

This was from 2 years ago and in light of what the IS doing now, it's alarming.

This is a good article and summary "terror and oil" from 2003, during the second Iraq war, the gravest error of judgement in this bloody mess.

http://www.iags.org/n0111041.htm

The middle east has had 1300 years of struggle for control of resources and still is. Now we have a double huge problem very wealthy and barbaric IS determined on world wide genocide and wealth. The IS are armed to the teeth with American weapons

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/8/5982501/...ipment-in-iraq

If the west doesn't get involved, then IS could spread unchecked. If we do, we're in it for the long haul. Considering the Conservatives have cut our armed forces to the bone it would be at best ill-advised for the UK to commit to another war with two thirds of the army we had five years ago. IS aren't just slaughtering other faiths, they're slaughtering Muslims too. It needs other Islamic countries to step up to the plate on this one.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/are-you-t...tch-with-imam/

http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-...nity-imam1.png

Video of 10mins shouting match
on above link

[Sean Hannity got into an epic shouting
match Wednesday night
with a London-based imam who believes
in the worldwide implementation of Sharia law.
Hannity repeatedly grilled Anjem Choudary
over whether he believes in a “convert or die”
philosophy. Choudary kept turning the targuing tables
and when Americans bomb and murder and torture,
“obviously this would have repercussions.”]

I hate when i have to agree with sean hannity. lol

The only way to Destroy Isis
is to attack them in Syria first.

Which means they must make a agreement with
Assad of Syria
for this mission.

But the USA President
will not even use the word "War"
he is out of office soon
he should move out now

from Ch4NewsHD
Isis now marry people out there
and are making big money from selling Oil.

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 7222533)

I hate when i have to agree with sean hannity. lol

Yes also I agree with Sean
on this debate only, though.

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 7237866)

That will never happen IMO.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...oil-96394.html

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Syria’s star as an oil producer has been declining for years. Its oil production peaked in 1990s at about 600,000 barrels of oil per day and fell steadily to less than 400,000 barrels per day by 2011. At that point, it was the world’s 34th largest producer, just behind Vietnam, according to CIA data.
Since the escalation of the Syrian conflict in 2011, production has dropped to about 50,000 barrels per day, with exports dropping to virtually zero from about 150,000 barrels per day before the conflict escalated. Many of the country’s biggest oil-producing sites are in the east, and appear to lie outside Damascus’s control.
The U.S. hasn’t imported any oil from the country since September 2011, when it purchased a modest 641,000 barrels of Syrian oil, just 0.19 percent of the 338 million barrels imported that month, according to data from the Energy Information Administration.

And

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/11/5991173...-are-6-reasons

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Obama ordered air strikes against ISIS in Iraq focused on the narrow goal of defending Iraq's semi-autonomous Kurdish region. Kurdistan had been mostly secure until ISIS began pushing into the territory about a week ago; it's got a stable, pro-American, oil-producing government. Obama's strikes are meant to help Kurdistan defend itself, and to preserve the status quo of a secure Kurdistan. The strikes are very clearly not about trying to change the larger ISIS war in Iraq, or to help Iraq retake the vast ISIS-held swathes of territory.

ISIS so far are no threat to the oil rich and US invested south only Kurdistan. Plus protecting the Mosul dam. That's all it's about so far and always has been the West's main interest over the last few decades. Either taking oilfields or protecting the status quo. ISIS have minor oilfields in Syria and Iraq which don't interest the US

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/03/bu...rios-oil-isis/

"That will never happen IMO."

anne see how wrong you are
last night the President confirmed he will attack
ISIS in Syria.

the UK has confirmed they will
not do attacks in Syria, though
this afternoon

SkyNewsHD
http://news.sky.com/story/1333726/us...ia-to-fight-is

or

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...nst-isis-syria

Despite the nations backing America
only America is going to do the attacks
so far.

for example
No one can tell Saudi Arabia
what to do.

Youtube video

2 Austrian Girls
now joined Isis
photos at the end of the 2mins clip
just broadcast today.

U.S. launches new phase of mission to 'destroy' ISIS with offensive airstrike to protect Iraqi forces near Baghdad

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3DWJ0Mprx

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/...ct_a_burne.jpg
Civilians inspect a burned house after a bombing in Fallujah, 40 miles west of Baghdad on Monday