Originally Posted by Redway (Post 7062208)

I don't think you're in any position to talk about predictable and disrespectful.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7062195)

you dont know them and you lack the backbone to say that. even if you knew your own values it shows significant cowardice to refrain from sharing them. especially when youre so quick to criticize some beliefs and values yet havent the courage to state any of your own values and beliefs.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7062221)

I do know them.
I don't wish to share them as they are private between me and whoever.
i don't wish to influence anyone one way or another.
I haven't criticised anyone, whatever you chose to believe is your business not mine.

Originally Posted by Achilles (Post 7062279)

I hate people. Religion is just one of many reasons. When the aliens invade I will be eating popcorn. Or if they don't/can't invade, I will just have to make do with WW3. The world will always be a sh..hole until religion, war, money is eradicated and humans evolve.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7061154)

Yes because people will never argue without Christianity will they? before Christianity there were wars , endless wars, if it ended there would be wars endless wars. Clearly you think Jesus was a nasty man preaching some kind of hate that somehow lead to wars. Can you please outline how you come to this conclusion and ignored all the preaching on love truth forgiveness redemption enlightenment? Or were you just playing to the crowd for cheap laughs?

Originally Posted by Ramsay (Post 7062225)

I call myself agnostic but i think i secretly lean more towards the atheist side
But really there will never be any concrete proof for or against the existance of 'god' in my lifetime anyway so i don't really think about it much. if i die and go to heaven, great. if i die and there's nothing..well i won't know so that's great too i guess. i'm not good at wording **** like this, hope it makes sense.

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 7061545)

I cannot believe all life happened by pure accident so I do believe in some 'mastermind' behind it all.
I come from a Catholic upbringing and although I moved back from a great deal that was taught to me from that, some elements of it I hold onto.

Taking only the Gospels, the words and actions attributed to Jesus, then I see little I could not desire from them.
The Christian ideals as set out by him as stated in those gospels are a very attractive scenario.
So I guess many of those Christian ideals in those Gospels I have taken on board as I go through life and try my best to 'reach out' and 'build up' others in accordance to that teaching as opposed to 'turning away' and 'bringing down' others.

I guess I am still really looking for faith as such but if you remove the other men's additions to much in the Bible and particularly the New Testament Gospels,then the small bits that are left are pretty good guides to a maybe possibly better and more fulfilled existence as to faith.

Originally Posted by Ramsay (Post 7062225)

I call myself agnostic but i think i secretly lean more towards the atheist side
But really there will never be any concrete proof for or against the existance of 'god' in my lifetime anyway so i don't really think about it much. if i die and go to heaven, great. if i die and there's nothing..well i won't know so that's great too i guess. i'm not good at wording **** like this, hope it makes sense.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 7060398)

..I always think it's odd that 'non believers' spend so much time talking about something that can't be proved (because it's a faith) when they don't believe in things that can't be proved/bizarre....

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7062276)

theres absolutely no point you being on here if you arent sharing your opinions

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7062314)

Its not by accident joey but by the laws of physics mainly and the chemical elements found in our universe. add that to a timespan that is almost incomprehensible and you will get life as we know it though natural selection.

and in time we will find that it has been replicated many, many times in the universe

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 7061545)

I cannot believe all life happened by pure accident so I do believe in some 'mastermind' behind it all.
I come from a Catholic upbringing and although I moved back from a great deal that was taught to me from that, some elements of it I hold onto.

Taking only the Gospels, the words and actions attributed to Jesus, then I see little I could not desire from them.
The Christian ideals as set out by him as stated in those gospels are a very attractive scenario.
So I guess many of those Christian ideals in those Gospels I have taken on board as I go through life and try my best to 'reach out' and 'build up' others in accordance to that teaching as opposed to 'turning away' and 'bringing down' others.

I guess I am still really looking for faith as such but if you remove the other men's additions to much in the Bible and particularly the New Testament Gospels,then the small bits that are left are pretty good guides to a maybe possibly better and more fulfilled existence as to faith.