you do have a point, they do instigate trouble, have done it more series than any before

Even if she has created the divide (which I don't believe, Helen's dominance has created it) then that's a good thing? I'm not sure why that task and this forum and BOTS etc are debating it like it's a negative. Divides are a good thing, they make the show more interesting. Hence why I thank Helen for it

My problem with it was the need to pile all the blame onto one housemate, when the truth of it was it wasn't even just Helen and Ashleigh who contributed to it but almost everyone.

It's what happens in Big Brother and yet the task made out it was either Ashleigh or Helen who brought this never before seen phenomena into Big Brother.

Who'd have thought it? You put 16 strangers in a house together, some of which won't get on and therefore won't stay around each other. :joker:

And I suppose ashley is a saint ? Disowned two of her best mates ... constantly miserable. ... evicted one of her mates giving a very poor excuse .... bitched about kimberley constantly behind her back.... yeah what a role model....



TEAM HELEN
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Helen has been ruled to be the one that caused the divide so this whole thread is pointless.

No, the point of the forum is to continue the debate as much as we like.

It wasn't a real court of law, you know.

By Judy James of all people! :laugh:

Yeah, Judi James' bias is fact and no one else can possibly be right. :umm2:

Stupid old crone judy! :fist:

Drag that weave!

Helen and her brood often say that Ashleigh and her friends always go sit in a corner and slag people off behind their backs. Hmm...doesn't EVERY single HM do that at some point? Helen is the most guilty of this too. Mostly because everyone but her brood leaves when she comes or Helen waits until they leave to begin her bashing. Its a constant too. If you don't believe it watch the season over again. Its a stupid point to use in an argument because everyone is guilty. Helen is just the worst because she is often cruel with her comments both face to face and behind their backs. Also Helen is NOT honest and real as so many like to say, both on the show and on forums. She is a grade A b***c. I looked up 'Honest' in the dictionary for those who like to associate that word with Helen. HONEST: 1-Honorable in principles, intentions, and actions; upright and fair. 2-Respectable; having a good reputation. I've seen none of this in Helen. Please don't tell me it because she got a bad edit. We've seen hours and hours of her and its not there that I saw. Also don't point out the fake crap she doled out to try and win some kind of favor. when you hug someone and couple that with an eye-roll or a bitch fest it doesn't count. I actually thought Ash and Pav were going to help Helen out by being honest with her after the Judgment. Pav sort of, kind of went there but fell a bit short. She needs friends and family to be honest with her. Tough love.