Suppose this is what labour gets for pissing off Murdoch there all his papers.

Sure
and now all the Left Wing Papers /mags
have also got it in for ED.


He Can't Escape it

The more he talks
the worse it gets

Joey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_MacKinlay

Andrew MacKinlay was just live on BBCNews
older than us
he is 65 and former Labour MP

He said Ed Miliband is not rallying the troops
and in a speech he goes wrong.
he has seen other Labour Leaders
like that , and they did not win

Former MPs have had their day and many of them grumbled at Harold Wilson,James Callaghan,Neil Kinnock, and even more at Tony Blair.
Just as many former MPs have attacked Conservative leaders and PMs too

I have said and I agree with a present MP, that Ed Miliband needs to push to the front his team of shadow ministers.
I have said the presentation is a problem,that doesn't however make the content of the presentation invalid at all.

You must hope he won't win. for you that is,for me I on the other hand want him to,I also believe that the way politics is at present, he is the one with the best, if not only chance of coming nearer to an overall majority,if he turns things around a bit in Scotland he likely will scrape an overall majority.

He won me over for one,I am in no way unique,I am sure he has many others thinking too, no matter what they may think of him personally.

As for the press, I never take any notice of the press at all, whether it supports the party I do or if it doesn't.
The press are a dying breed as to influencing voters, people get more truth as to politics from other outlets on the internet without reading the biased and often vitriolic lies and nonsense that journalist print about all politicians, from all parties.

Sometimes I like ed (eg. when he did a speech slating the bedroom tax), then at other times I don't. Imo it would be best for Labour if he stands down, however UKIP may have damaged the Conservative vote enough for them to still get in - plus a lot of tories aren't happy with Cameron's leadership.

Yes

Also UKIP takes Labour Voters
as well

Sure
some others like you also backed
the Walking Dead PM Brown

Also On Ch4NewsHD , just now
if they changed to Alan Johnson
the backing numbers would go right up.

Under Miliband
they keep going down

:joker:I never backed Gordon Brown at all, I helped vote him out.

I wanted to be able to vote Conservative in 2010 with my first ever vote but I lost trust in David Cameron as to his ideas for the NHS.
I didn't really believe his assurance that there would be 'no top down re-organisation of the NHS under him'.
I was proven right to have done that as he mislead the voters.

So I voted Lib Dem, hoping for a hung parliament, whereby they would moderate the Conservative policies and keep down tuition fees and help protect the NHS.
I saw that vote as a hopeful insurance policy that if it was Labour they kept in power, that they would curb any borrowing by Labour, keep them to their plan of halving the deficit in 4 years, no rise in tuition fees and protecting and investing in the NHS.

Well what a shock I got from the Lib Dems too, they threw all my and the other voters who did, trust right back in my face and completely betrayed their voters in return for crumbs from the Conservative party.

What I have seen happen and the devastation caused as to the poorest, the most vulnerable, sick and disabled from this govts.policies is what has brought me to Labour and Ed Milibands door and also my main concern, the NHS which even with their faults as to it, I see Labour as the only party that can really be trusted with the NHS now.
Even the Lib Dems have lost my trust in that direction too.

I was a Conservative until I was 17 arista,this heartless current Conservative is nothing what I expect a decent party of the UK to be or act.

This govt. has in fact lost over a third of what it got in 2010,down from 61% of votes cast for the 2 parties, running at 38% in the polls now.
Only UKIP, Greens and Labour have gone up in votes since 2010.

It still seems voters are at a bit of a loss who to vote for to get rid of this coalition Govt.
I just really hope they realise in time that there is really only one way to 100% ensure this Govt. is sent packing conclusively in 2015, and that is to vote Labour.
Voting UKIP may help get rid of them too but to be sure,it is really only votes for Labour that will get this heartless,rotten shower out,once and for all.
That is what I hope and still think will happen on election day too.

Voters cannot believe anything David Cameron and Nick Clegg say.
It may also well be that Ed Miliband may not be able to be trusted too,maybe he will,that cannot be said true one way or the other.
However we have seen what this PM and Deputy PM have done with power,it is far from acceptable or right.
We haven't however seen what Ed Miliband will really do and like them he now deserves a shot at it,in my opinion.

I Know you never backed Brown
I said other "Like " you

:laugh:Oh I see.
It has been really enjoyable chatting with you on this arista, it always is,I am sure we will return to some issue like this again.
Possibly after the Rochester by election when it may be another leader struggling to keep some order in his party.

"Miliband Out - If A Labour MP Breaks Cover"

Yes Please

http://news.sky.com/story/1369979/mi...p-breaks-cover

matter of days.......

No way is Ed Miliband going anywhere and I doubt he will be even after the elction. Because at the very least Labour,I believe will still be the largest party after the election.

With more likely guarded support to govern from the Natonalists,who would never I believe allow the Conservatives to continue and also the support of the SDLP in N. Ireland,no way will the Conservatives and Lib Dems win enough seats to erode that scenario.

There is simply no real appetite or evn time from the vast majority of the Labour movement to now embark on a leadership election.
There is in all truth and in all fact, no vacancy and that vast majority of the Labour movement, don't want there to be a vacancy either.

Now let us settle down to hear all David Cameron's likely problems with his party after the farce in the Commons yesterday and then the result of the Rochester by election next week.
Far more substance in those issues than in Ed Milibands already assured position as Labour leader for the 2015 election and I also believe well beyond it too as he is still likely to be the next Prime Minister.

:joker::joker: Yes let's, the media hatchet job was most likely expected, he needs to just stand firm and watch the conservatives implode.

Furthermore all this as to Ed Milibands low poll ratings, there is little he can do to show he would be a good PM until he becomes one.
The amazing thing is of those polled in the same poll, nearly two thirds of those polled said they didn't rate Cameron either and Cameron has been doing the job for the last 4 and a half years.

Nothing really positive for him either then, he is PM but only just over a third rate his premiership, now let see what the ratings may be for Ed Miliband after 4 and a half years of being PM.
I'd dare bet they'd be higher than procrastinator Cameron's.

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:joker:

I'm sorry but I am sticking to my earlier prediction that Mr Miliband will be replaced soon. He had an opportunity today to give a speech allaying fears he was affected by the current press clamour for his removal. But the audience were hand picked and his message is landing on deaf ears.

The majority of mainstream labour voters do not think Mr Miliband has what it takes to beat the Conservatives and run the Country.

No amount of speeches by Mr Miliband will change this perception. The Labour hierarchy now have to decide whether to stick with The labour leader and risk losing the election or cut and run , replace him with a more charismatic leader but also run the risk of doing this too close to the election for voters to get to know the new leader.
Either way Labour are in trouble, they have dillied and dallied with Mr Miliband for 3 or 4 years now knowing he was a risk to voters. They never groomed a credible understudy who could strip in should Mr Miliband falter.

Now they are left between a rock and a hard place. Thank goodness Mr Cameron is equally unpopular and with the UKIP on the rise taking voters from both main parties the best the Labour Party can hope for is a coalition govt with Labour the senior party but well short of a parliamentary majority.

Watch this space.

I thought his speech today was a good one but an unnecessary one,it wss however far more relevant to the UK at large than the childish sniping from the media and their inventions of stories that sadly politicians of all parties have to put up with nowadays.

He re-iterated his values, the policies of compassion as to KLabour policies, the NHS and also his determination not to be sidestepped from standing up to those who not only get at him but also the business giants who rip their customers off right,left and centre.

He took on UKIP too and stressed his determination not to be put off course from doing all he has promised to if elected.

Contrast that with rthe deceit and lies we were told by the Conservatives and Lib Dems in 2010 and likely even now too.
By the Conservatives as to not only likely doubling tuition fees but actually trebling them, as to no top down re-organisation for the NHS then doing it,without any mandate from the voters to do so too.
Then the slimy Lib Dems, who threw every promise made to their voters out the window for to secure a miserable 5 years of shared power and a few Ministerial positions for themselves.

Contrast just those few things with the speech Miliband made today and I know, for one,who I will give the chance to prove themself now and it is neither of the pevious misleading and lying two,the aforementioned David Cameron and Nick Clegg.

That's the sad irony of this whole affair is that the best leader is not necessarily the best looking most eloquent or most charismatic. But they are the ones that get voted in, it's the way of politics now where the voter is voting for the leader not the party so only the personal qualities of the leader are judged above the policies of the party.

It's totally wrong I know but it happens every time. Look at Tony Benn and Michael Foot both would have made great leaders but they never got the chance.

I hope Mr Miliband survives and wins the election but honestly can't see it as once the hounds attack the sniping gets louder and louder until a labour front bencher breaks ranks and openly criticises the leader forcing him to hold a vote of confidence and by then I'm afraid it's pretty much game over for Mr Miliband.

I think if he survives to Christmas then he will be OK, but I suspect there are further pitfalls and bear traps lying in wait for him. It could be a long 7 weeks.




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Exactly Nedusa, Tony Benn,had he been a Labour leader and then PM,would have changed the UK completely.
Although had I been born in his time,I would not then have agreed with his policies,I admit that.
However I respect and love the way he too, despite all the personal attacks fired at him by the press and the Conservative party,how he stood firm and carried on regardless.

He was branded the most dangerous man in politics and a loony left madman by the Conservatives for advocating in the 80s and early 90s that we should leave the EU,what does that now make this lot in power now then.

I agree with you, I hope Labour win the election but I also agree with you that it now looks more likely they will be the largest party rather than a govt. with an overall majority.
Divided parties do struggle in elections so this nonsense around Ed Miliband going, has to be well and truly halted and dealt with,then the main issues can be hopefully got across.
Having said that, I am sure this is the going to be the most dirty,nasty and rotten election campaign form the Conservatives and their 'press' friends,especially the sickening Daily Mail and the paper that,in my view, should never have been allowed to continue in existence,The Sun.

I mean, yesterday even Nigel Farage said he could work with Labour,I guess he meant if they agreed a referendum on the EU that he would not have his party bring down a Labour govt in that scenario.

I am not that worried as to Scotland, if Labour lost half its seats there, they will all go to the SNP, no way will the SNP support a Conservative led govt.
So in reality,although not desired, the next house of commons could look really strange as to its makeup.

There will be,in another hung parliament a likely massive anti Conservative vote from just about all the other parties,except for the DUP in Northern Ireland.
It could yet be that at last we get a govt. that reflects the views in part of just about all the parties of the UK,which oddly enough may also just be one the best govts. the UK has had.

I have to say if Ed Miliband wants to really look at making an impact and re-inventing himself as a credible leader to more voters.
I hope he watched the SNP conference today.

Alex Salmond has been the SNP leader the longest of all the other party leaders of any party,his farewell speech today was vibrant, full of vision and sounded fresher than anything any other party or their leaders appear to be or have acted for years.
I don't care for Nicola Sturgeon but she as the new SNP leader also presented a clear vision and the enthusiasm for the fight ahead and for her Nation was clearly evident.

This is how politicians should be, fighting for their Nation and also setting out to ensure all citizens benefit with no discriminatory policies against any section of society or demonising any sections of society either.

I was gripped throughout the whole session today, the thought came firing at me this is what Ed Miliband needs to do too,really force the message across.
he has a fantastic amount to go on too.

David Cameron's lies as to the NHS re-organisation,the massive danger presented to the UK with his procrastinated over 4 year long EU referendum policy and his attack, demonisation of and discriminatory policies against the weakest, poorest and most vulnerable, sick and disabled of the UK.

Then Ed has the other waste of space left, Nick Clegg,the man who promised voters loads, even signed a pledge in order to get their trust and votes, only to smack them in the face for their trust and votes by supporting some of the most unjust, heartless and rotten policies against vulnerable people from a rotten from the core, not to the core govt.which he chose to be part of too.

Come on Ed, get your front team together,get out there hammering that message home all the time up to the 2015 election.
Accepting things are better economically at last but also reminding people that we were out of recession and had 1.1% growth when this lot took power in 2010,which they then eroded for nearly 3 years with at best tiny or no growth at all.
Leaving inflation to eat away at peoples incomes.

He needs to spell out how Labour would not let the recovery and growth in place now be eroded by himself and Labour, to stress they will build on that growth and nurture that recovery which is at last in place after so long.
Not be put off by the small,at last, successes of this govt. but use it to his and Labour's advantage.
Pressing home how important it is not to let the Conservatives and Lib Dems after the election in 2015, erode the recovery and growth in place now as they did by the end of 2010.

Ed said there was a lot to fight for, he is right and he should start right now on the lines outlined above.
If he did and energised Labour and the voters, he could yet get a very positive surprising result in 2015.

I hope he does watch the SNP conference highlgihts today,because for me that is the way to do it and go about things.

"Come on Ed, get your front team together,"


How can he when half of them want him out.

If they can't even figure out how to choose a decent leader, how the **** can you expect them to lead any meaningful policies? Gawd Labour is so ****ing pathetic.

Who the **** would ever trust these idiots to lead anything, let alone the entire country.

It seems the only think Labour is good at is gaining sympathy. do they honestly believe people will vote for them just based on sympathy? just because they are so sad and pathetic?

Who the **** would ever vote for a party that seems so pathetic?