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kirklancaster 12-11-2014 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollface (Post 7369932)
I agree with pretty much everything Livia said (especially the "you have no more proof that God doesn't exist than i have that he does) so true.

I watched the documentary about Stephanie Slater, really horrible what she went through.
My uncle (who sadly is now an angel) was an Atheist, but he saw God whilst he was in hospital with a serious illness. I know peoples minds can play tricks on them when they're in a state of shock or whatever but my uncle really believed he saw God (even though he'd been an Atheist his whole life) and i believe he did too.

There are 1000's of well documented examples of this including 100's of cases of those surviving 'Near Death' experiences. I'm not trying to convert anybody but all this from people who have no reason to lie (and who swear they were not deluded or having hallucinations) I take to bolster my own faith. If others want to perceive some psychological tricks that the brain plays at such times then that's fine.

I would turn the atheist's favourite question around on them though, and ask, why then doesn't the brain play the same psychological tricks on everyone who is dying or who has 'Near Death' experiences?

Additionally, why do so many rational people - even lifelong atheists - who have these 'visions' insist on what they have seen and maintain that it was God or Jesus?

AnnieK 12-11-2014 03:05 PM

Due to personal circumstances at the moment, this is something I have been talking a lot about and whether when you die that's it but the simple fact is no-one is ever going to know....simple. Whatever your personal beliefs if something helps you as your near the end of your life then that can only be a good thing.....

Crimson Dynamo 12-11-2014 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7369949)
That's a lovely story, Trumpet.

Its a true one, when i picked up the banana she nearly had a fit and ran into the house

naturally i ran after here making squeaking noises

Livia 12-11-2014 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7369972)
Its a true one, when i picked up the banana she nearly had a fit and ran into the house

naturally i ran after here making squeaking noises

I believe you. In fact, I'd have been a little disappointed if you hadn't...

JoshBB 12-11-2014 03:11 PM

If said religious experience did exist, why does Jesus/God choose not to show himself to everyone to prove his existence? It seems illogical.

kirklancaster 12-11-2014 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7369954)
:laugh: Indeed

Good - I am pleased.

Livia 12-11-2014 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshBB (Post 7369982)
If said religious experience did exist, why does Jesus/God choose not to show himself to everyone to prove his existence? It seems illogical.

Because you have to have faith. I have faith... I can't explain what it is to you, and if you don't have it you wouldn't understand it if I could explain.

InOne 12-11-2014 03:30 PM

Can't do anything with personal experience because that's what it is - personal.

Ninastar 12-11-2014 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7369947)
I remember reading an account of when Apple's Steve Jobs died. As he was dying he is reported to have looked past his family and his last words were, "Oh wow, oh wow, oh wow..." Who knows what he saw? Who knows whether it was real, or whether it was a misfiring synapse somewhere in his hippocampus throwing up an old memory? No one knows and no one will know until their time is up. Until then, this event obviously gave comfort to his family and to others with terminal illness, and I can't see that as a bad thing.

My sisters psychologist said that he's met many people who have 'died' and come back. He says he's met people who died and came back, who were in accidents, and he says he met those who took their own lives were brought back... But what he told me about each is something that will stay with me forever.

He said that the people who took their own lives, saw nothing but darkness and fear when they were dying. The people who were dying because of an accident, saw nothing but white and felt 'very happy'...

Now I'm not religious, but this is really something that made me think.

It does make me wonder what goes on after life...

Crimson Dynamo 12-11-2014 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninastar (Post 7370037)
My sisters psychologist said that he's met many people who have 'died' and come back. He says he's met people who died and came back, who were in accidents, and he says he met those who took their own lives were brought back... But what he told me about each is something that will stay with me forever.

He said that the people who took their own lives, saw nothing but darkness and fear when they were dying. The people who were dying because of an accident, saw nothing but white and felt 'very happy'...

Now I'm not religious, but this is really something that made me think.

It does make me wonder what goes on after life...

That sounds like a crock to me, with respect.

Anecdotal at best

kirklancaster 12-11-2014 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninastar (Post 7370037)
My sisters psychologist said that he's met many people who have 'died' and come back. He says he's met people who died and came back, who were in accidents, and he says he met those who took their own lives were brought back... But what he told me about each is something that will stay with me forever.

He said that the people who took their own lives, saw nothing but darkness and fear when they were dying. The people who were dying because of an accident, saw nothing but white and felt 'very happy'...

Now I'm not religious, but this is really something that made me think.

It does make me wonder what goes on after life...

A good post.

kirklancaster 12-11-2014 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7370041)
That sounds like a crock to me, with respect.

Anecdotal at best

Why is it that anybody who posts anything which doesn't fit in with your view of things is talking a 'crock'?:nono::nono::nono:

arista 12-11-2014 05:59 PM

This Comet we have contact with
is Proof there is No God , No bible etc

Crimson Dynamo 12-11-2014 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 7370190)
Why is it that anybody who posts anything which doesn't fit in with your view of things is talking a 'crock'?:nono::nono::nono:

Its just anecdotal stuff

I know I guy i met in a pub who saw a ghost, yada yada

As arista says

What man achieved today is real, amazing and worth believing in

Its another great win for science over superstition

Kazanne 12-11-2014 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7370198)
Its just anecdotal stuff

I know I guy i met in a pub who saw a ghost, yada yada

As arista says

What man achieved today is real, amazing and worth believing in

Its another great win for science over superstition

And LT,just WHO or WHERE did man get the tools of knowledge to do all these things,and remember 'amazing'man has also totally effed the planet up by his arrogant superiority.

Crimson Dynamo 12-11-2014 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 7370210)
And LT,just WHO or WHERE did man get the tools of knowledge to do all these things,and remember 'amazing'man has also totally effed the planet up by his arrogant superiority.


I am sorry but I dont follow your line of thought?

kirklancaster 12-11-2014 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7370198)
Its just anecdotal stuff

I know I guy i met in a pub who saw a ghost, yada yada

As arista says

What man achieved today is real, amazing and worth believing in

Its another great win for science over superstition

:joker::joker::joker:LOL - It's nothing of the kind. It's a great achievement by Man but does nothing to prove or disprove the existence of a God.

Really, you need to analyse your thoughts LT before committing them to paper- It's like you having a child and when that child grows up he becomes a scientist and discovers a new rocket propulsion system. How does that disprove your existence?:facepalm:

Crimson Dynamo 12-11-2014 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 7370214)
:joker::joker::joker:LOL - It's nothing of the kind. It's a great achievement by Man but does nothing to prove or disprove the existence of a God.

Really, you need to analyse your thoughts LT before committing them to paper- It's like you having a child and when that child grows up he becomes a scientist and discovers a new rocket propulsion system. How does that disprove your existence?:facepalm:

I am sorry but I dont follow your line of thought?

kirklancaster 12-11-2014 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 7370210)
And LT,just WHO or WHERE did man get the tools of knowledge to do all these things,and remember 'amazing'man has also totally effed the planet up by his arrogant superiority.


:clap1::clap1::clap1:

Go Kaz - hope you get more sensible, more relevant answers from him than I have.

kirklancaster 12-11-2014 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7370215)
I am sorry but I dont follow your line of thought?

For those who believe in God our Father - how does the technological advances made by Man (His children) and their achievements as a result of those advances, disprove God (The Father)?

You give your son his genes, what he achieves as he grows is independent of you but because of you, and it does not disprove your existence.

Crimson Dynamo 12-11-2014 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 7370222)
For those who believe in God our Father - how does the technological advances made by Man (His children) and their achievements as a result of those advances, disprove God (The Father)?

You give your son his genes, what he achieves as he grows is independent of you but because of you, and it does not disprove your existence.

Arista said it disproved your god, not I

kirklancaster 12-11-2014 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7370225)
Arista said it disproved your god, not I

OK - I love your new avatar.

arista 12-11-2014 07:10 PM

Landing on the Comet today
is Great and it Proves
there is No God.

AnnieK 12-11-2014 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 7370273)
Landing on the Comet today
is Great and it Proves
there is No God.

How does it prove it arista?

Marsh. 12-11-2014 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 7370273)
Landing on the Comet today
is Great and it Proves
there is No God.

If that's your definition of "proof" then you have no right to criticise any religion. :joker:


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