Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 7626967)

But they are following the teaching of their religion, it doesn't automatically follow that they have negative attitudes to gays! Just that perhaps they like to stick to the code laid down by their religion.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7626958)

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 7626961)

Why did my brain automatically turn that into an image of mud wrestling? :bawling:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7626982)

Exactly what? ... :laugh: you're hypothetical modern religion analogy proves nothing.
It has nothing to do with this as the onus is on established religious beliefs, they cannot be changed along with cultural norms.
He hasn't incited any hatred or made public his view it was his own personal interpretation of text. If we seek to change what would that entail?

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 7626972)

Yes.....I know that

I guess what I'm saying is although I don't agree with the Printer's reasons for not giving work to this person, I have to accept that the printer has the final say in who he gives work to and if through some outdated misguided religious dogma he feels unable to associate with Gay people then that is his problem.

But to try and publicize and call for his business to be ruined or for him to face some kind of legal redress for holding these religious views is also wrong.

You cannot force someone to take an unfamiliar or alien view only educate them so they realise their traditional view is unfair,unjust and has no place in the modern World.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7626990)

Exactly as in people wouldn't get away with starting up a religion nowadays with such out dated, sexist and homophobic views so therefore we should not allow already existing religions that hold similar views get away with discrimination just because they say it's part of their religious beliefs. I mean if Religious people are allowed to discriminate because of their religion but non religious people aren't isn't that discriminating against non religious homophobes? :laugh:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7626990)

Exactly as in people wouldn't get away with starting up a religion nowadays with such out dated, sexist and homophobic views so therefore we should not allow already existing religions that hold similar views get away with discrimination just because they say it's part of their religious beliefs. I mean if Religious people are allowed to discriminate because of their religion but non religious people aren't isn't that discriminating against non religious homophobes? :laugh:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 7627002)

I guess Atheist's could say it was their Humanist views and these views should not be considered inferior to religious views. This would mean they have an equal right to be discriminatory against Gays and/or Gay Marriage.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7626997)

So you don't agree that he shouldn't do the work on religious grounds but on the basis that he just dislikes homosexuals it's ok?
I don't think I subscribe to that, and you would have to have been living in a cave for the last 20yrs to not know that cultural norms relating to homosexuality have moved on.

Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 7627007)

:umm2: That doesn't make sense at all, I'm sure there are plenty of homophobic atheists and if the printers were atheists and refused to print the invitations for this couple, I'm sure the couple would still feel discriminated against. :shrug:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 7627002)

I guess Atheist's could say it was their Humanist views and these views should not be considered inferior to religious views. This would mean they have an equal right to be discriminatory against Gays and/or Gay Marriage.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 7627004)

Nobody said the guy who wouldn't let Rhianna get her knockers out in a video on his farm had a negative attitude towards women, it just didn't fit with his values, and that was the end of it.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7627005)

We can't change what was written thousands of years ago.
You could suggest the bible is hate propaganda and call for it to be burned... good luck with that.

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 7627009)

Er....No I'm not saying that at all

Read my post again, I can't make it any simpler to understand.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7627012)

Or I could just suggest what I have been all through this thread, that discrimination like this should not be tolerated by our governments :shrug:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7627023)

There are hate laws in place to prohibit inciting discrimination via any means, what has this to do with personal views?

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7627012)

And it would be completely wrong, just like this is



I don't really think they're comparable :laugh:



Or I could just suggest what I have been all through this thread, that discrimination like this should not be tolerated by our governments :shrug:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7627034)

You've actually lost me now Kizzy.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 7627039)

Why are they not comparable? The farmer exercised his rights to do as he felt and believed on his property, the printer is doing the same, is he not being discriminated against for his beliefs?

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7627045)

You said it shouldn't be tolerated by government, they aren't.
But until we get rid of all churches and have thought police individuals with religious views can think as they like.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7627049)

Sure they can think what they like lol, when did I ever say they couldn't?

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7627065)

Based on those thoughts they can offer their services....or not.
That is the crux of the problem isn't it?

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7627014)

Then explain 'traditional view' to me... I don't understand this term.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7627071)

Well no they shouldn't be allowed discriminate because of their homophobic thoughts :laugh:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 7627072)

I have read my post again and yes the word "traditional" is not needed in the context of what I am saying.

So read again but omit the word traditional

Cheers.............:wavey:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7627073)

You just contradicted yourself, you said people with religious views can think what they like.. and now they can't as they'll be labeled homophobic. :conf: