Thank you Nedusa.

Sometimes it takes someone to actually do the hard work and put the infomation about in this case UKIP's plans, aims and potential policies out there for everyone to see.

People are so lazy and so conditioned by the Press to belief any old rubbish about anyone the "Establishment" sees as a threat.

People have been told lies repeatedly about UKIP being a racist,fascist,elite party whose only aim is to provide a banner for other more right wing parties to gather under.

The mainstream media is happy for this image of UKIP to be portrayed and lazy,idle stupid people in the main are happy to be fed this claptrap because they only always vote "Labour" or "Conservative" it's ridiculous really.

You should examine the performance of the Party in power and that should help you decide if their policies really worked. Well both the main parties have displayed woeful lapses in their performances over the last 4 or 5 decades yet people still blindy think it's OK to keep voting them back in because this time it's gonna be different or this time it's gonna change.

Well it isn't and it won't, same old.....same old just different stupid faces at the helm.

So if a Party comes along and calls out both these parties and says you have not represented the best interests of the British people over the past 40 years, you have in fact destroyed large parts of this Country destroying most of our heavy engineering and manufacturing industries, you have sold off most of our National Companies and deregulated the **** out of the rest of them this would in fact be seen as failure.

As would not building any affordable houses for anybody or allowing the private landlords to charge any rent they see fit.

Add to that the rampant and uncontrolled immigration and the unbearable strain on our infrastructure and Schools/Hospitals and I think you are getting the picture.

And it's not a happy one is it, the rich don't care and as long as the flaming shareholders get their dividend then everyone's happy.

Well I'm not and nor are millions of normal working class people who wake up each day and barely recognise the Country they live in.

So if a new Party says it like they see it then please at least hear them out, give them half a chance before you start shouting abuse and sending packs of thugs and morons to hound the party leader and his family out of town.

Disgraceful really.......

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Superbly stated.

Ok lets look at things in a bit more detail, where here is any reference to the workforce, or the rights and protections for workers?

What are their views on the living wage?
where do they stand on 0hr contracts?
What is their plan for youth unemployment?


Employment and Small Businesses

– Businesses should be able to discriminate in favour of young British workers.
– Repeal the Agency Workers Directive.
– Conduct a skills review to better inform our education system and qualifications
– Encourage councils to provide more free parking for the high street.
– Simplify planning regulations and licences for empty commercial property vacant for over a year.*
– Extend the right of appeal for micro businesses against HMRC action.

This says not very much to me about the issues surrounding employment in the UK.

:joker: It's a summary not a draft of 'War and Peace'. :laugh:

Housing and planning

– UKIP will protect the Green Belt.*
– Planning rules in the NPPF will be changed to make it easier to build on brownfield sites instead of greenfield sites.* Central government is to list the nationally available brownfield sites for development and issue low-interest bonds to enable decontamination.
– Houses on brownfield sites will be exempt from Stamp Duty on first sale and VAT relaxed for redevelopment of brownfield sites.
– Planning Permission for large-scale developments can be overturned by a*referendum triggered by the signatures of 5% of the District or Borough electors collected within three months.

So they will essentially do zip to ease the housing crisis except allow people to live in contaminated areas? :thumbs:
Planning can be halted with a petition from 5% of the current residents, is this to be called the 'not on my doorstep' directive?

Where are their plans to build affordable housing?
Where are their plans to aid local authorities to bring their current housing stock up to the decent homes standard?
Where are their promises to not allow overseas investors to buy housing association properties and oust whole communities?

:joker:It's a summary not a draft of 'War and Peace'. :laugh:

Yes... A summary outlines the key issues, if these are the key issues then the document is worthless as there is nothing on there that will be of any benefit to the residents, workforce or communities of the UK.

To save you replying I'll just presume you don't want to address my points rather than you repeat the 'war and peace' quote.

Protecting jobs and increasing prosperity
- We would review all legislation and regulations from the EU (3,600 new laws since 2010) and remove those which hamper British prosperity and competitiveness.
– We would negotiate a bespoke trade agreement with the EU to enable our businesses to continue trading to mutual advantage.*
– UKIP would not seek to remain in the European Free Trade Area (EFTA) or European Economic Area (EEA) while those treaties maintain a principle of free movement of labour, which prevents the UK managing its own borders.
– We would reoccupy the UK’s vacant seat at the World Trade Organisation, ensuring that we continue to enjoy ‘most favoured nation’ status in trade with the EU, as is required under WTO rules.

This is the most baffling, why would anyone want to be out of the EU so bad?

It's said as there is movement of workers then fee trade with the EU is unworkable, currently there are around 2 million British living and working in the EU this change would effectively render them illegal immigrants.

Taking a seat in the WTO however is perfectly acceptable, would that be possible without amending some of our current legislation on freedom of movement with the the nations within the WTO?

UKIP's manifesto on which they'll fight the election isn't released until after Easter.

Well, that's a bit rubbish... I demand to know what they intend to do about high street parking right now!

http://b.3cdn.net/labouruk/89012f856..._phm6bflfq.pdf

I thought this thread was about Farage's family being assaulted by a pack of baying knuckle-draggers claiming to be protesters? I don't think any UKIP policy would make it okay for his family to be attacked.

Sometimes discussions get expanded on.

Yes they do.

This thread is about Nigel Farage getting pestered and attacked while out with his family and that is something that everyone should,in my opinion,be against in any democracy or in fact in relation to any situation.

However, since he is the leader of a major political force,then what he stands for or is perceived to stand for,has a bearing on how people react to him.

So discusssing the wider implications of his ideas and I am sorry but to me still far too much is vague.
A brief summary beside each perceived policy, doesn't tell me the real nitty gritty of the policies, and a joking laugh over a pint from Nigel Farage doesn't answer the deeper questions either.
However, the things he stands for, will inevitably expand the discussion as to why he gets such grief personally so is relevant in my view anyway, to discuss as a strongly related element.

The grief he gets is unjustified,unacceptable and likely in part illegal,some of the statements he issues too in balance however, are also inflammatory and also wrong as to the tone and context he issues same.

Here's the manifesto from last year, the title page looks like a nod to the dangers of fracking (lol) and there' only 3 pages with any actual policies outlined, all of which are divisive and appeal only to those invested in overseas trade and industry.
There is no mention of social responsibility, community, workforce, housebuilding, education, provision for the elderly, youth....nothing.

http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net...pdf?1398869254

None of that means his family should be harassed.

I think that's been established, the conversation has moved on.

The fundamental point remains.

It does.

However the group have suffered much abuse from the 'militant' right since it seems...

'Police are investigating threatening messages sent to the anti-Ukip protesters who forced the party leader, Nigel Farage, to flee his local pub on Sunday.

After the demonstration, which the Ukip leader said caused distress to his two youngest children, the activists were sent abuse via text and email, as well as on Twitter and Facebook.

Some of the protesters were sent messages detailing what the senders believed were their addresses and phone numbers, and some messages threatened reprisals. One Facebook post read: “If they think they are safe from being slaughtered, they are not.”

In a tweet, one of the protesters was told: “In a free country with legal private weapons, I would have opened fire on you fascists out of self-defense [sic].”

The Metropolitan police confirmed it was investigating the threats.'

'The far-right party Britain First, which invades mosques and runs “Christian patrols” through the streets in armoured vehicles, claimed to have found the home addresses of some of the protesters and threatened to give them a “taste of their own medicine”.

Britain First has expressed its support for Ukip in the general election.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...gel-farage-pub

None of that is down to Farage. And who supports his party isn't his call either. So...

Oooh Arista, I didn't know you cared.

I wasn't suggesting for a second it was.

What has last year's manifesto got to do with anything? Proposals for addressing Social responsibility, community, workforce, housebuilding, education, provision for the elderly and youth are all summarised in brief in the current UKIP proposals which I posted, along with those for addressing a host more real issues damaging this country and impoverishing the quality of life of its citizens.

Your posts are worthy of Miguel Cervantes himself the way you keep tilting at windmills. There really is nothing to fault in UKIP's proposals, and it is ridiculous to continue to try to find any.

Incidentally our 'membership' of the the 'European Union' is directly costing us over £9 billion pounds per year net, in addition to billions more indirectly, and an ever greater immeasurable cost in the insane state-of-affairs imposed upon us as a consequence of our 'membership'.

Are we to expect they have raised their game spectacularly?

I raised questions on why the key issues in the summary did't answer any of the areas of concern in the UK and was met with a rather glib response.

Could you explain the ' tilting at windmills' comment please?

Is being part of the WTO free then?....