Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 8406731)

I think depriving a child of a mother is abusive.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 8406745)

A child needs a Mother and a Father, totally agree

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 8406745)

A child needs a Mother and a Father, totally agree

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 8406745)

A child needs a Mother and a Father, totally agree

Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 8406764)

A child don't need a mother and father, a child needs parent(s) yes but it can be two fathers/two mothers/only a father/only a mother/mother and father..why do they need a father and mother? A child would be loved just as much with anyone tbh.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 8406728)

But that isn't the issue. The issue is that Winston thinks same sex adoption is akin to child abuse. How is it abuse when the couple have to go through a harrowing selection process in order to give a child a loving home?

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 8406768)

Not in my life it can't ,A child needs a Mother and a Father

Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 8406764)

A child don't need a mother and father, a child needs parent(s) yes but it can be two fathers/two mothers/only a father/only a mother/mother and father..why do they need a father and mother? A child would be loved just as much with anyone tbh.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8406642)

Alright then.Can't wait until they include women in the Worlds Strongest Man competition.They can just call it Worlds Strongest Person so as not to be sexist.Maybe we'll get a female champion in the first year?

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8406797)

How do you equate that to child rearing?

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8406715)

It was a direct reply to this post by Kizzy -
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
"No, individuals have their strengths and weaknesses, collectively genders are neither weak nor strong."

My point being that men and women both have different strengths.It's nice to think that each gender can be as good at everything and sex plays no role.However it is innacurate.For instance boys have a shorter attention span when learning.They thrive more with shorter lesson times wheras girls are fine with longer or shorter classes.The genders are different no matter whether we want them to be or not.
Women can provide a certain emotional support to children that men generally don't.Kids respond differently to women than men.There are certain things a kid might feel more comfortable telling their mum or dad.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8406804)

I don't,I equate it directly to your point
"Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
No, individuals have their strengths and weaknesses, collectively genders are neither weak nor strong."

Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 8406667)

Anyone who has been through or even looked into adoption will know what a long and intrusive procedure it is. It is not that easy to be approved, you have to go through all manner of checks, panels, interviews, probing and quite insulting at times questioning. Your whole life becomes transparent and looked into....anyone who goes through this process and are approved (same sex, couples or single people) have to prove, prove and double prove that they are completely committed so the child placed will have a balanced, secure and loving home. Plus, I would bet my life that all same sex couple or single parents have close friends and family members of the opposite sex who will each play their part in the upbringing of a child.

In short, anyone who goes through the process regardless or race, gender or sexual orientation deserves some respect IMO and are equally capable of raising a loved, wanted and balanced child

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8406814)

You have taken that comment far too literally :laugh:

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 8406777)

But, as shown last night that harrowing selection process doesnt always work.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8406792)

Love is only a part of bringing up a child.It is a whole lot more complicated than just showing them love.Only having one gender to look up to and learn from gives them a very one sided view of the world and does'nt give them the emotional balance that a mother and father give them.There is no replacement for a mother and father,Just less ideal substitutes.

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 8406632)

But is that not just in your eyes? Or whoever deleted them. Cant you put them back up and let the forum users decide?

As far as im aware there was no insulting. It is a subject i and many on here feel very strongly about.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8406792)

Love is only a part of bringing up a child.It is a whole lot more complicated than just showing them love.Only having one gender to look up to and learn from gives them a very one sided view of the world and does'nt give them the emotional balance that a mother and father give them.There is no replacement for a mother and father,Just less ideal substitutes.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 8406849)

It doesn't always work with same sex couples either. They can abuse children too. Nothings perfect. The point is they try to match a child with parents he/she will thrive with and be loved by, they just don't give them away nilly willy. I doubt very much that many paedophiles would pretend to be gay and go through that whole lengthy process to get a child to abuse. Just because it's happened a few times doesn't mean it's worth discussing. It's not because it's not an issue that is at all prevalent.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8406838)

It is the same principal in all walks of life.Strengths and weaknesses.

Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 8406864)

A child being brought up by a single parent doesn't mean anything, I know loads who have brought up by a single parent and they have the same view as people who have two parents.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 8406875)

Being brought up by a single parent is totally different to same sex parents

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 8406862)

No it isn't just in Vicky's eyes.

Having read through the thread including the deleted comments I agree that the debate had turned offensive and inflammatory, others were also offended by it going by the reports.