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ThriceShy 09-01-2016 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Quasar (Post 8408918)
Anyone that votes against equality is a douchebag so I don't quite get the argument. Are you sayin because so many people agree with winstons ignorant homophobic views that makes them correct? It doesn't.

I am saying it makes the treatment of him bizarre. Especially as another CBB winner has demonstrated real homophobia on TV.

Glenn. 09-01-2016 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 8408917)
it was 7 years before jim Davidson appeared in CBB.

So are you saying in 7 years Winstons comments won't matter any more. Fair enough.

Jim Davidson appeared on an entirely different show on a completely different channel. Of course something that happened 7yrs previous wasn't going to be mentioned. On what basis would it be? If this is literally your side of the debate it's pretty poor.

Winstons behaviour and ignorant views that he expressed on the show he was evicted from are what he is being judged on. Is that so difficult to understand?

Vicky. 09-01-2016 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Quasar (Post 8408932)
Jim Davidson appeared on an entirely different show on a completely different channel. Of course something that happened 7yrs previous wasn't going to be mentioned. On what basis would it be? If this is literally your side of the debate it's pretty poor.

Winstons behaviour and ignorant views that he expressed on the show he was evicted from are what he is being judged on. Is that so difficult to understand?

Tbf though, Winstons was only said on the show because BB brought it up. I guess it could be argued that they could have done a task designed to out Jim the same.

I didn't watch Jims series nor do I know much about the guy but I think this may be part of the issue.


As for the OP. I think Winstons speech was a load of waffle. He could have used it to explain a bit but no, he went off on a tangent about irrelevant stuff then told the others to put their hands up (!) to ask questions. I don't think the issue was that he was against gay adoption, more the child abuse comment..whcih is understandable.

Davids 'ANYONE should be able to adopt' amused me slightly though....anyone? Really? :laugh:

ThriceShy 09-01-2016 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Quasar (Post 8408932)
Jim Davidson appeared on an entirely different show on a completely different channel. Of course something that happened 7yrs previous wasn't going to be mentioned. On what basis would it be? If this is literally your side of the debate it's pretty poor.

Winstons behaviour and ignorant views that he expressed on the show he was evicted from are what he is being judged on. Is that so difficult to understand?


He didn't express them on the show. He gave a political opinion during an election campaign, 7 months before the show.

On the other hand, Jim Davidson has had a reputation for 40 years of being a homophobe and racist. He was thrown off a show for abusing a former presenter of BB.

If you don't find a strange disparity in their treatment then I can't help you, I'm afraid.

Glenn. 09-01-2016 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8408948)
Tbf though, Winstons was only said on the show because BB brought it up. I guess it could be argued that they could have done a task designed to out Jim the same.

I didn't watch Jims series nor do I know much about the guy but I think this may be part of the issue.


As for the OP. I think Winstons speech was a load of waffle. He could have used it to explain a bit but no, he went off on a tangent about irrelevant stuff then told the others to put their hands up (!) to ask questions. I don't think the issue was that he was against gay adoption, more the child abuse comment..whcih is understandable.

Davids 'ANYONE should be able to adopt' amused me slightly though....anyone? Really? :laugh:

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Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 8408950)
He didn't express them on the show. He gave a political opinion during an election campaign, 7 months before the show.

On the other hand, Jim Davidson has had a reputation for 40 years of being a homophobe and racist. He was thrown off a show for abusing a former presenter of BB.

If you don't find a strange disparity in their treatment then I can't help you, I'm afraid.

Everyone seems to be forgetting the homophobic slurs in his VT? Asks his chance to put the adoption thing down as paper talk. Instead he proudly admitted it and refused to back down. Regardless of his ignorant election campaign, his behaviour and attitude is unacceptable.

Amy Jade 09-01-2016 10:19 PM

I respect your opinion that he was right.

I disagree and think he was talking a load of ****.

Glenn. 09-01-2016 10:20 PM

I don't respect people who agree with ignorant homophobes

ThriceShy 09-01-2016 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Quasar (Post 8408983)
I don't respect people who agree with ignorant homophobes

So you don't respect Emma then as she was happy to cosy up with homophobe jim Davidson.

Glenn. 09-01-2016 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 8408999)
So you don't respect Emma then as she was happy to cosy up with homophobe jim Davidson.

Not once have I said I do

Glenn. 09-01-2016 10:25 PM

Stop dragging Jim Davidson into your weak ass argument.

Amy Jade 09-01-2016 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 8408999)
So you don't respect Emma then as she was happy to cosy up with homophobe jim Davidson.

You keep saying this but Jim said that about 10 years ago and he never said anything like it during his stay in the house so he could neither retract or confirm his view.

Winston admitted he said and still thought a gay couple adopting was child abuse - the homophobic aspect aside that is a disgusting view to carry - likening him to Jim makes Winston no better.

ThriceShy 09-01-2016 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Quasar (Post 8409016)
Stop dragging Jim Davidson into your weak ass argument.

Makes it a bit difficult for you doesn't it.:laugh:

Vicky. 09-01-2016 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Quasar (Post 8408962)
Everyone seems to be forgetting the homophobic slurs in his VT? Asks his chance to put the adoption thing down as paper talk. Instead he proudly admitted it and refused to back down. Regardless of his ignorant election campaign, his behaviour and attitude is unacceptable.

Nope not forgetting that. I thought the main issue was the child abuse thing though. Which was actually brought up by BB

I suspect as they were pissed off that Winston had not been as homophobic as they wishes him to be during his stay inside the house up til then :p

Glenn. 09-01-2016 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 8409027)
Makes it a bit difficult for you doesn't it.:laugh:

No it just makes no sense. It's completely irrelevant.

I'd understand if Jim was homophobic on big brother but he wasn't. The two don't compare.

reece(: 09-01-2016 10:31 PM

Jim Davidson argument is completely irrelevant, as was the Katie Hopkins one.

Glenn. 09-01-2016 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8409035)
Nope not forgetting that. I thought the main issue was the child abuse thing though. Which was actually brought up by BB

I suspect as they were pissed off that Winston had not been as homophobic as they wishes him to be during his stay inside the house up til then :p

Which is fair enough and I don't really dispute it. But Winston could have had it backfire on them and denied it. Instead proudly admitted it and didn't back down from it. There's no difference. Nothing changes what an awful person he is regardless.

Beso 09-01-2016 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Quasar (Post 8408962)
Everyone seems to be forgetting the homophobic slurs in his VT? Asks his chance to put the adoption thing down as paper talk. Instead he proudly admitted it and refused to back down. Regardless of his ignorant election campaign, his behaviour and attitude is unacceptable.

If you're offended by his jokey backs to the wall comment then you need to get a better grip on reality.

Glenn. 09-01-2016 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 8409047)
If you're offended by his jokey backs to the wall comment then you need to get a better grip on reality.

Jokey or not, it's still offensive and homophobic.

waterhog 09-01-2016 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 8408212)
They really are a bunch of vile bullies.

Didn't take long for Daniella to show her true colours.


some times I get hings wrong - you are like me thriceshy - do you write poetry ?

EspeonBB 09-01-2016 10:34 PM

Jim Davidson being scum doesn't make Winston any less justified in his homophobia just saying

Amy Jade 09-01-2016 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 8409047)
If you're offended by his jokey backs to the wall comment then you need to get a better grip on reality.

It wasn't a joke though he's made that abundantly clear hasn't he

Beso 09-01-2016 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Quasar (Post 8409049)
Jokey or not, it's still offensive and homophobic.

is it heck as like.

T* 09-01-2016 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Amy Jade (Post 8409076)
It wasn't a joke though he's made that abundantly clear hasn't he

.

Beso 09-01-2016 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Amy Jade (Post 8409076)
It wasn't a joke though he's made that abundantly clear hasn't he

I despair if you actually believed he thought he was at risk of being bummed.

reece(: 09-01-2016 10:40 PM

It was incredibly offensive :conf:


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