Originally Posted by Josy (Post 8724505)

My mind is open and I am perfectly able to come to my own conclusions about housemates and their actions without someone telling me how to go about it, my opinion is that any 'hall pass' is complete bollocks, it's just pure and utter disrespect for the person you are supposed to be in a relationship with.

Therefore, I think Marco is a little prick for getting with someone else when he has a fiancee and I find Laura's behaviour in the house, on tv with someone she barely knows to be completely embarrassing, not just for her but for her family and friends on the outside, she obvious lacks any kind of discretion, class or respect.

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 8724505)

My mind is open and I am perfectly able to come to my own conclusions about housemates and their actions without someone telling me how to go about it, my opinion is that any 'hall pass' is complete bollocks, it's just pure and utter disrespect for the person you are supposed to be in a relationship with.

Therefore, I think Marco is a little prick for getting with someone else when he has a fiancee and I find Laura's behaviour in the house, on tv with someone she barely knows to be completely embarrassing, not just for her but for her family and friends on the outside, she obvious lacks any kind of discretion, class or respect.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 8724104)

Oh please just stop,the hatred of Marco is ridiculous now,she loved it there was NO sign from her for him to stop,and how is Marco portrayed as the innocent one he is the one everyone is hating on because of it,but it's made me like him more as it's pretty unfair,they are both sex mad tarts,simple as.

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8724476)

I see no one's pointed out the fact that neither of them are to blame yet.

To start with it's worth mentioning the fact that Laura isn't in a relationship, so she is entitled to do what she likes. In normal circumstances it would not be her responsibility to not cheat on her partner, but that of the person she's playing around with.

That said, Marco and his girlfriend have both said he has a 'hall pass' to effectively do what he wants while he's on Big Brother. I realise he said it was an open relationship too, but that doesn't dissolve the hall pass that his girlfriend has said still exists. In which case, per the terms of it, he is also entitled to do what he wants and it is the business of no one else to criticise him for it. You can dislike him all you want (and I obviously understand the reasons), but it is his and his girlfriend's relationship and not ours. If she said he was permitted to do this, then that is that. I think some people are allowing their distaste, misunderstanding and personal opposition to having a hall pass (or an open relationship in general) for themselves or their own (hypothetical) partner to cloud their judgement. It doesn't matter whether you couldn't operate your relationship in the same manner (I couldn't either, btw), it still exists and it is up to Marco and his fiancé to determine whether that's acceptable or not and not a bunch of Big Brother fans.

Open your minds. Criticise his behaviour all you like, but slating him because he has a fiancé when said fiancé has said the hall pass does exist is just stupid. Those are the terms of his relationship and it's about time people started to understand them.

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 8724505)

My mind is open and I am perfectly able to come to my own conclusions about housemates and their actions without someone telling me how to go about it, my opinion is that any 'hall pass' is complete bollocks, it's just pure and utter disrespect for the person you are supposed to be in a relationship with.

Therefore, I think Marco is a little prick for getting with someone else when he has a fiancee and I find Laura's behaviour in the house, on tv with someone she barely knows to be completely embarrassing, not just for her but for her family and friends on the outside, she obvious lacks any kind of discretion, class or respect.

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8724541)

Very sad that in 2016 people still can't allow other people to conduct their relationships however they please

I guess we still have a long way to go!

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8724538)

Well it can't be that open if you're letting your own personal opinion of having a 'hall pass' cloud your judgement of the fact that both Marco and his fiancé have said he has one. If his fiancé has granted him one, or if they hypothetically did have an open relationship (which I know they don't), then they are per the terms of it entitled to do whatever they want with whoever they want outside of it, and again, it is the business of no Big Brother fan to tell them they aren't.

If cannot be disrespectful for his fiancé if she herself granted him one. That is her choice. Clearly their relationship is strong enough that she and he feel that it wouldn't change anything, and that is their choice. Just because you (and myself too) couldn't agree to giving our partners a hall pass, it doesn't mean that they don't exist and that some people do. And those people are entitled to conduct their relationship however they choose, without being criticised by people who refuse to understand them.

Lastly, 'class' and 'respect' are socially constructed subjective concepts that can't be defined and are therefore meaningless. Laura is entitled to act however she wishes, if a few people are offended at the sight of some dry humping that's their problem and not hers. And she certainly has no blame to take in this situation either, she's the single party and isn't responsible for another person's relationship - she can do what she wants.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8724544)

Clearly it isn't since he pretty much dumped her national TV last night

Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 8724555)

Vanessa I have no idea where you're going with this thread because Laura has literally got so much hate for this. Most the Marco hate I've seen on here and in the house is to do with his childish, obnoxious personality rather than his relationship with Laura.

Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 8724555)

Vanessa I have no idea where you're going with this thread because Laura has literally got so much hate for this. Most the Marco hate I've seen on here and in the house is to do with his childish, obnoxious personality rather than his relationship with Laura.

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8724549)

Well that's tenuous at best but if he does genuinely break up with her on TV at some point then I WILL criticise him, but my point was more that those who grant hall passes or agree to open relationships in general believe their feelings for each other are strong enough that in doing so it won't affect each other. And again, they are entitled to do that without being criticised by people who couldn't themselves do the same and therefore don't understand it

One example of a relationship doesn't really change that

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8724562)

You're right, but there's definitely been people criticising him for supposedly 'cheating' on his fiancé too

Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 8724002)

And Laura getting away with it scott free : the poor little innocent victim of big bad Marco :bored:

I do think he could be a fantastic housemate if he calmed down, but he needs to stay away from Laura.

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8724538)

Well it can't be that open if you're letting your own personal opinion of having a 'hall pass' cloud your judgement of the fact that both Marco and his fiancé have said he has one. If his fiancé has granted him one, or if they hypothetically did have an open relationship (which I know they don't), then they are per the terms of it entitled to do whatever they want with whoever they want outside of it, and again, it is the business of no Big Brother fan to tell them they aren't.

If cannot be disrespectful for his fiancé if she herself granted him one. That is her choice. Clearly their relationship is strong enough that she and he feel that it wouldn't change anything, and that is their choice. Just because you (and myself too) couldn't agree to giving our partners a hall pass, it doesn't mean that they don't exist and that some people do. And those people are entitled to conduct their relationship however they choose, without being criticised by people who refuse to understand them.

Lastly, 'class' and 'respect' are socially constructed subjective concepts that can't be defined and are therefore meaningless. Laura is entitled to act however she wishes, if a few people are offended at the sight of some dry humping that's their problem and not hers. And she certainly has no blame to take in this situation either, she's the single party and isn't responsible for another person's relationship - she can do what she wants.

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 8724571)

I blame Andy

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8724563)

How do you know that though? Like how are you so sure that most people in open relationships/give out hall passess are both happy and secure in the relationship? It's your opinion and mine is that alot are probably only doing it to hang on to the other person or because damage limitation for when they "cheat".

Marcos fiancee or ex fiancee whatever she is now, was very quick to clarify that her and Marco were not on the same page when talking about the hall pass/open relationship situation

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8724544)

Clearly it isn't since he pretty much dumped her national TV last night

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8724562)

You're right, but there's definitely been people criticising him for supposedly 'cheating' on his fiancé too

Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 8724559)

Nowhere near as much the blame that Marco is getting.

Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 8724564)

Exactly. They don't care he has a hall pass and that his girlfriend has confirmed it. For them it's still cheating.

Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 8724581)

Yeah I'm not denying that Marco is getting some heat from this but I'm just saying people seem to dislike Laura a lot more and all she's done in the house is be marco's ho while Marco is also hated but for a lot more reasons not just this.





Clearly your watching a different show than I am because it's Laura who is always slated on bots, it's Laura who had the crowd chanting to get her out, it's Laura who everyone in the house is putting responsibly on by telling her to cool it down, it's Laura who is getting bitched about in the house in regards to this relationship, it's Laura who has a mob of Twitter girls and Facebook nannies out for her blood and it's Laura who is being targeted by the others :shrug: Marco is hardly getting any heat for this. Most of the hate he is getting is because of his PERSONALITY!!! Not this. People would hate him even if this relationship never happened this just adds to the hate.

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8724576)

She denied the open relationship which I'll admit was pretty rude of him to say if that wasn't the case, but confirmed the hall pass

And because if you and your partner feel strong enough in your feelings for each other and that you think they'd stand the test of time regardless, then agreeing that each other can have casual, no-strings sex with other people on the side deep in the knowledge that at the end of the day you can return to one another, still be in love and continue as normal - I'd say that's pretty strong. You'd certainly have to not be a jealous person that's for sure

What people seem to be assuming here is that everyone treats sex in exactly the same way and put it on a pedestal. For some people they consider it meaningless and so for their partner to be having it with others, it wouldn't affect their relationship because the love they have outweighs the sexual aspect. And that's their prerogative. Just because you or I could never agree to it, it doesn't mean other people aren't entitled to conduct their relationships in that way if they can. But it's certainly not the place of anyone else to tell them they're 'disrespectful' or 'cheating' just because they don't understand it

Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 8724567)

I do believe the whole hall pass thing but I don't think she's happy about it. And if Marco is happy to go on like this on national to then clearly he doesn't love and respect her as much as you should love and respect you fiancé. He's basically made a mug of her on tv and and she is a mug for allowing it to happen. But whatever it's their relationship I really couldn't care less about this entire situation.

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 8724568)

Everything posted here is personal opinion Jack, from you, I and everyone else, is everyone's judgement clouded then including your own?

I don't care that Marco or his fiancee has said he has a hall pass or that hall passes exist, and of course they are perfectly entitled to do what they want just as I am perfectly entitled to find hall passes to be bull**** and highly disrespectful to the people involved regardless if they say they are ok with it or not, Marco is on BB airing his business about his relationship, it's mixing with current events that are going on in the house therefore any of us watching are entitled to judge and have an opinion on it.

As for their relationship being strong enough I find that laughable, they have been together less than two months

Class and respect aren't meaningless to me, hence the reason I commented about them in my last post.